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	<title>Comments on: The Meaning of Neda&#039;s Martyrdom</title>
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		<title>By: CJ Harwood</title>
		<link>http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/27/the-meaning-of-nedas-martyrdom/comment-page-3/#comment-2103</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#160; &#160; And that&#039;s not all.
&#160; &#160; The report was published July 16 2009.
&#160; &#160; Here, a full month earlier, the number of credentialed election observers was reported, and in addition their distribution throughout the country, all that, a mere one week after the election (June 12 2009): &lt;a href=&quot;http://farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8803280415&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8803280415&lt;/a&gt; (June 19 2009).
&#160; &#160; A translation, sort of, you have to copy and paste it in three sections, to not choke translate google com
&#160; &#160; Did BBC Monitoring translate it? and did they publish it? to their public subscribers? secretly give it only to a small group of officials? the David Miliband, for example (foreign secretary), Gordon Brown (prime minister). Ditto the U.S. OSC.
&#160; &#160; They can conceal it, from their public subscribers, the opinion-formers they seek to influence, to deceive -- academics, media, senior government officials -- but they can not conceal it from Persian speakers,
the multi-hundred thousand Iranian expatriates living in the U.S., U.K. and other countries.
&#160; &#160; Another big crowd of dogs not barking, who would be barking -- reporting this persuasive evidence, that the election was not rigged -- if they were not dishonest, serving an agenda.
&#160; &#160; Here&#039;s more detail, published the same day: http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8803280024 (June 19 2008).
&#160; &#160; Pathetic. But more than that, criminal. Witness the death and arson, foreseeable consequences of inciting a riot with lies.
&#160; &#160; On reflection, that newspaper headline, I don&#039;t think you can print 40,676 names and addresses and their polling stations, all that, in only 6 pages, so the headline might be this instead (at 500 per page):

&quot;Musavi observers named.
You be the judge!
See pages 7 through 88&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; And that's not all.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The report was published July 16 2009.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Here, a full month earlier, the number of credentialed election observers was reported, and in addition their distribution throughout the country, all that, a mere one week after the election (June 12 2009): <a href="http://farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8803280415" rel="nofollow">http://farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8803280415</a> (June 19 2009).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; A translation, sort of, you have to copy and paste it in three sections, to not choke translate google com<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Did BBC Monitoring translate it? and did they publish it? to their public subscribers? secretly give it only to a small group of officials? the David Miliband, for example (foreign secretary), Gordon Brown (prime minister). Ditto the U.S. OSC.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; They can conceal it, from their public subscribers, the opinion-formers they seek to influence, to deceive -- academics, media, senior government officials -- but they can not conceal it from Persian speakers,<br />
the multi-hundred thousand Iranian expatriates living in the U.S., U.K. and other countries.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Another big crowd of dogs not barking, who would be barking -- reporting this persuasive evidence, that the election was not rigged -- if they were not dishonest, serving an agenda.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Here's more detail, published the same day: <a href="http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8803280024" rel="nofollow">http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8803280024</a> (June 19 2008).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Pathetic. But more than that, criminal. Witness the death and arson, foreseeable consequences of inciting a riot with lies.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; On reflection, that newspaper headline, I don't think you can print 40,676 names and addresses and their polling stations, all that, in only 6 pages, so the headline might be this instead (at 500 per page):</p>
<p>"Musavi observers named.<br />
You be the judge!<br />
See pages 7 through 88"</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Harwood</title>
		<link>http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/27/the-meaning-of-nedas-martyrdom/comment-page-3/#comment-2102</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#160; &#160; Here&#039;s the English translation of &quot;The full text of the detailed report of the Guardian Council on the presidential election&quot; (U.K. BBC Monitoring, U.S. DNI Open Source Center (OSC), formerly CIA FBIS: Foreign Broadcast Information Service, renamed November 1 2005): &lt;a href=&quot;http://warlaw.wordpress.com/iran-2009-election-guardian-council-report/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://warlaw.wordpress.com/iran-2009-election-guardian-council-report/&lt;/a&gt;
&#160; &#160; The U.S. copy silently omits text, the smoking gun, the number of accredited election observers, ID cards, issued for Musavi (Mousavi) (40,676), and Karrubi (13,506), Musavi&#039;s ally.
&#160; &#160; Not a single election observer spoke up, to say the published ballot box counts differed from what s/he observed, and certified on the official ballot count forms. Hence, their signature and their silence both certify, that the published ballot box counts they observed are accurate.
&#160; &#160; (I read there are 14 signatures on the form, I&#039;m assuming that includes the candidates&#039; credentialed observers, along with the others, from the guardian council, election officials, governor of the province, polling station chief, and local citizens).
&#160; &#160; How many of the  45,692 ballot boxes they observed, I don&#039;t know, but at least 40,676, I presume, the number of Musavi observers. Some polling stations had more than one ballot box and so some observers presumably certified more than one box.
&#160; &#160; This report, published by the Guardian Council and by Fars News Agency constitutes a pubic challenge, to Mousavi, they published the number of his observers and they published the individual box counts (linked above), so that each observer can see if that matches any record they might retain.
&#160; &#160; Nothing could be simpler for Musavi, to bring down the government, void the election, that to stand up and say, 
&quot;No.&quot; Either that he did not have nearly so many credentialed observers or that they deny the published box counts.
&#160; &#160; That&#039;s easy as pie, if it&#039;s true, and that&#039;s why we haven&#039;t heard a peep from Mr. Musavi, because the published numbers are true.
&#160; &#160; If he was so stupid as to lie about it, and say &quot;No,&quot; and give his tale, about two or three days later, every citizen in Iran would pick up their daily newspaper and see this headline:

&quot;Musavi observers named.
You be the judge!
See pages 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.&quot;

&#160; &#160; The government could publish the names and addresses of all 40,676 Musavi observers (the election authorities issued them ID cards so that have that information) and challenge the public to ask them, when they see them, did they observe the box count(s) and do they agree with the published ballot box counts.
&#160; &#160; More excellent reality TV. The crew interviews each observer, and his or her neighbors, work colleagues, to vouch for their identity.  -CJ Harwood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; Here's the English translation of "The full text of the detailed report of the Guardian Council on the presidential election" (U.K. BBC Monitoring, U.S. DNI Open Source Center (OSC), formerly CIA FBIS: Foreign Broadcast Information Service, renamed November 1 2005): <a href="http://warlaw.wordpress.com/iran-2009-election-guardian-council-report/" rel="nofollow">http://warlaw.wordpress.com/iran-2009-election-guardian-council-report/</a><br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The U.S. copy silently omits text, the smoking gun, the number of accredited election observers, ID cards, issued for Musavi (Mousavi) (40,676), and Karrubi (13,506), Musavi's ally.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Not a single election observer spoke up, to say the published ballot box counts differed from what s/he observed, and certified on the official ballot count forms. Hence, their signature and their silence both certify, that the published ballot box counts they observed are accurate.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; (I read there are 14 signatures on the form, I'm assuming that includes the candidates' credentialed observers, along with the others, from the guardian council, election officials, governor of the province, polling station chief, and local citizens).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; How many of the  45,692 ballot boxes they observed, I don't know, but at least 40,676, I presume, the number of Musavi observers. Some polling stations had more than one ballot box and so some observers presumably certified more than one box.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; This report, published by the Guardian Council and by Fars News Agency constitutes a pubic challenge, to Mousavi, they published the number of his observers and they published the individual box counts (linked above), so that each observer can see if that matches any record they might retain.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Nothing could be simpler for Musavi, to bring down the government, void the election, that to stand up and say,<br />
"No." Either that he did not have nearly so many credentialed observers or that they deny the published box counts.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; That's easy as pie, if it's true, and that's why we haven't heard a peep from Mr. Musavi, because the published numbers are true.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; If he was so stupid as to lie about it, and say "No," and give his tale, about two or three days later, every citizen in Iran would pick up their daily newspaper and see this headline:</p>
<p>"Musavi observers named.<br />
You be the judge!<br />
See pages 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12."</p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; The government could publish the names and addresses of all 40,676 Musavi observers (the election authorities issued them ID cards so that have that information) and challenge the public to ask them, when they see them, did they observe the box count(s) and do they agree with the published ballot box counts.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; More excellent reality TV. The crew interviews each observer, and his or her neighbors, work colleagues, to vouch for their identity.  -CJ Harwood</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Harwood</title>
		<link>http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/27/the-meaning-of-nedas-martyrdom/comment-page-3/#comment-2100</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch! persianadvocate (*smacks his forehead*), such self-abuse, I feel a tug, at my nurturing nature, and I do believe I can assist you, ameliorate your fictional suspicions, provide you some calming enlightenment. Stay tuned. -CJ Harwood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch! persianadvocate (*smacks his forehead*), such self-abuse, I feel a tug, at my nurturing nature, and I do believe I can assist you, ameliorate your fictional suspicions, provide you some calming enlightenment. Stay tuned. -CJ Harwood</p>
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		<title>By: persianadvocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>persianadvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJ&#039;s argument is ENTIRELY sourced from  &quot;the guardian council&#039;s 90-page report (July 16 2009)&quot;. 

*smacks his forehead*  Wake up, CJ. You might as well be reading a JK Rowling novel for your information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ's argument is ENTIRELY sourced from  "the guardian council's 90-page report (July 16 2009)". </p>
<p>*smacks his forehead*  Wake up, CJ. You might as well be reading a JK Rowling novel for your information.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Harwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#160; &#160; Caveat: I&#039;m not sure, whether the 45,692 refers to ballot boxes or polling stations. -CJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; Caveat: I'm not sure, whether the 45,692 refers to ballot boxes or polling stations. -CJ</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Harwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#160; &#160; 40,676.
&#160; &#160; That&#039;s the key number, Mousavi&#039;s election observers, that&#039;s how many he had, so says the guardian council&#039;s 90-page report (July 16 2009) (search for 40676), that&#039;s what I think google translate says.
&#160; &#160; Each of those individuals was registered with the election authorities, received an ID card which granted them full access to the polling stations from beginning to end, the sealing of the boxes in the morning (after observing they were empty) to the unsealing of them, when the polling station closed, the counting the ballots, filling out the forms, communicating the counts to election HQ (and their own candidate&#039;s HQ).
&#160; &#160; The report says Mousavi wanted another 5,000, one for each ballot box (45692). The google translate, I think that&#039;s what it says, and that Mousavi failed to produce any IDs for these additional people, who may have never existed, people he planned for, maybe, but may be couldn&#039;t find anybody to do it, fill those positions. Christiane Amanpour said (quoted, linked, above), Rafsanjani paid and trained &quot;tens of thousands&quot; of these Mousavi observers, so we can presume their showed up and did their duty, and that a record of their duty was made at the polling station by the election officials (I think the report says that).
&#160; &#160; We never heard a peep, from a single one of these people, not one of Mousavi&#039;s 40,676 observers said the reported ballot count differed from what sh/e observed.
&#160; &#160; There were some few stations where the boxes were sealed without the presence of his observers, who did not arrive on time, and some few observers (5?) I think were expelled for bad behavior (bothering the voters?), but observers of other candidates were there, maybe, and so too the 14 election officials with the duty to certify the count.
&#160; &#160; I didn&#039;t absorb these details yet, I&#039;m not ready to report what the report says, mainly because I can&#039;t read it, and google translate isn&#039;t good enough. I&#039;m expecting somebody, trustworthy, eventually, will translate it.
&#160; &#160; Which brings us to the dogs which aren&#039;t barking.
&#160; &#160; A mark of liars about.
&#160; &#160; There&#039;s no shortage of money &quot;to promote democracy in Iran&quot; ($75-million) and to incite regime change in Iran ($450-million), plus the U.K. and Israel, their covert ops.
&#160; &#160; So you would expect a very loud racket, a pack of dogs barking, a translation and patient deconstruction, of the report, to prove how deceptive it is, how incomplete, how ambiguous, how it&#039;s obviously a fraud, proving the election was probably rigged, they are covering up something, they&#039;re hiding something.
&#160; &#160; I don&#039;t hear any dogs barking.
&#160; &#160; I guess they&#039;ve got nothing to bark about.
&#160; &#160; Mousavi&#039;s own observers certify at least 40,676 box counts (unless they speak up). That leaves boxes (5,000 maximum), each of which also have 14 signatures (election officials), certifying the ballot count, some of them observed, may be, by observers for Mousavi&#039;s ally Karrobi (13,506 observers). I see no polling station count. There are photos/video of stations with more than one ballot box, suggesting the candidate&#039;s observers were responsible for multiple boxes at many stations. So Mousavi&#039;s observers might certify of nearly all the boxes.
&#160; &#160; So to lay all matters to rest, to certify the result beyond reasonable doubt, they can do what Mousavi has not asked for (he wants to pretend the balloting is faulty, he refuses to cooperate, refuses to perform his public duty, to certify the result).
&#160; &#160; They can count every ballot box not observed by a Mousavi or Karrobi witness, maybe 1000 boxes? Or produce the evidence of their count, a copy of the signed forms, and produce the 14 witnesses who signed each form, to certify their signature, their fingerprint. A recount on TV, like they did before is better. They recounted 10% of the boxes because Mousavi refused to cooperate and identify any boxes he wanted recounted.
&#160; &#160; So, at most, 5,000 boxes, another 10%, that&#039;s easy to do, they did that already, in a day or two, live on TV. -CJ Harwood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; 40,676.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; That's the key number, Mousavi's election observers, that's how many he had, so says the guardian council's 90-page report (July 16 2009) (search for 40676), that's what I think google translate says.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Each of those individuals was registered with the election authorities, received an ID card which granted them full access to the polling stations from beginning to end, the sealing of the boxes in the morning (after observing they were empty) to the unsealing of them, when the polling station closed, the counting the ballots, filling out the forms, communicating the counts to election HQ (and their own candidate's HQ).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The report says Mousavi wanted another 5,000, one for each ballot box (45692). The google translate, I think that's what it says, and that Mousavi failed to produce any IDs for these additional people, who may have never existed, people he planned for, maybe, but may be couldn't find anybody to do it, fill those positions. Christiane Amanpour said (quoted, linked, above), Rafsanjani paid and trained "tens of thousands" of these Mousavi observers, so we can presume their showed up and did their duty, and that a record of their duty was made at the polling station by the election officials (I think the report says that).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; We never heard a peep, from a single one of these people, not one of Mousavi's 40,676 observers said the reported ballot count differed from what sh/e observed.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; There were some few stations where the boxes were sealed without the presence of his observers, who did not arrive on time, and some few observers (5?) I think were expelled for bad behavior (bothering the voters?), but observers of other candidates were there, maybe, and so too the 14 election officials with the duty to certify the count.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; I didn't absorb these details yet, I'm not ready to report what the report says, mainly because I can't read it, and google translate isn't good enough. I'm expecting somebody, trustworthy, eventually, will translate it.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Which brings us to the dogs which aren't barking.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; A mark of liars about.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; There's no shortage of money "to promote democracy in Iran" ($75-million) and to incite regime change in Iran ($450-million), plus the U.K. and Israel, their covert ops.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; So you would expect a very loud racket, a pack of dogs barking, a translation and patient deconstruction, of the report, to prove how deceptive it is, how incomplete, how ambiguous, how it's obviously a fraud, proving the election was probably rigged, they are covering up something, they're hiding something.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; I don't hear any dogs barking.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; I guess they've got nothing to bark about.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Mousavi's own observers certify at least 40,676 box counts (unless they speak up). That leaves boxes (5,000 maximum), each of which also have 14 signatures (election officials), certifying the ballot count, some of them observed, may be, by observers for Mousavi's ally Karrobi (13,506 observers). I see no polling station count. There are photos/video of stations with more than one ballot box, suggesting the candidate's observers were responsible for multiple boxes at many stations. So Mousavi's observers might certify of nearly all the boxes.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; So to lay all matters to rest, to certify the result beyond reasonable doubt, they can do what Mousavi has not asked for (he wants to pretend the balloting is faulty, he refuses to cooperate, refuses to perform his public duty, to certify the result).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; They can count every ballot box not observed by a Mousavi or Karrobi witness, maybe 1000 boxes? Or produce the evidence of their count, a copy of the signed forms, and produce the 14 witnesses who signed each form, to certify their signature, their fingerprint. A recount on TV, like they did before is better. They recounted 10% of the boxes because Mousavi refused to cooperate and identify any boxes he wanted recounted.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; So, at most, 5,000 boxes, another 10%, that's easy to do, they did that already, in a day or two, live on TV. -CJ Harwood</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Harwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(@persianadvocate. I&#039;m from Nashville, but I live in London).

&#160; &#160; This is the origin of the sniper theory:
&#160; &#160; The eye witness said it.
&#160; &#160; He was standing 3 feet from Neda when the bullet struck her, he later said, Arash Hejazi, the man helping her music teacher in the video. The video was posted to youtube quoting these as his words: &quot;shot by a basiji member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house&quot; (youtube video v=fmi-LePl894, posted June 20).
&#160; &#160; The discussion here was, who did it. Arash did not see the shooter, he was speculating. But this wasn&#039;t the usual protest scene. There was no disorder, no public protest, no confrontation, where Neda died. She had left a demonstration on another street and was now on a street, at a place, where there was no conflict (Saturday June 20 2009, 7:35pm).
&#160; &#160; So Arash&#039;s impression, a rooftop shooter would likely be a cold-blooded assassin, not a basiji in a fear or passion, embroiled in a violent confrontation. As this assassin theory aged, it became ever more doubtful, because there were so few gunshot deaths in the street. An assassin theory posits many more, be it a CIA assassin (intending to stir the crowd to ever greater anger and violence), or a state assassin (intending to terrify the public into submission). Those other victims were at places of violent disorder (so far as we know).
&#160; &#160; So setting aside the sniper theory, leaves two other hypotheses: (1) a shooter on the street in a heat of passion or (2) a bullet shot into the sky, far away, a mile or two, now on its downward trajectory.
&#160; &#160; Arash left Tehran 4 days later and arrived at London on Wednesday June 24 at 1:54pm, according to Paulo Coelho who posted some emails.
&#160; &#160; 30 hours later, the BBC posted a 19 minute video, filmed in England, Arash Hejazi, interviewed by Rachel Harvey, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8119658.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The man who tried to save Neda&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (video, 19:01) (BBC News, London, posted Thursday June 25 2009, 18:22pm), excerpts: &quot;&#039;She died in less than a minute&#039;&quot; (video edit, 2:23), &quot;Iran: the death of Neda Agha-Soltan&quot; (audio edit, 6:57) (BBC World Service, &lt;i&gt;Newshour,&lt;/i&gt; London, broadcast June 25, 20:05pm GMT, posted June 26, 15:31pm), BBC TV broadcast a 2 minute video edit on its 24 hour news channel (BBC News TV, June 25, 17:45, 19:41), and he was separately interviewed earlier by Eddie Mair (BBC Radio 4, &lt;i&gt;PM,&lt;/i&gt; June 25 2009, 5-6pm at 5:18-5:23pm).
&#160; &#160; Arash Hejazi. &quot;Neda was standing one meter away from me, I didn&#039;t know her, she was one other person in the crowd. ... I heard the sound, I asked my friend, who was standing next to me, &#039;What was that? was it a gunshot?&#039; ... We heard the sound from in front of us, from where we were standing, we had the impression that it had come from a rooftop.&quot;
&#160; &#160; He described what the crowd did:
&#160; &#160; Arash Hejazi (at 5:58). &quot;But afterwards, some people believed that it was-- They actually took someone, with a basij card, and they said that he was on a motorcycle, coming from the other way, hiding in the corner. Some people shouted, that &#039;We got him. We caught him.&#039; People went towards him, and they disarmed him, and took out his identity cards, which was a basij member. And he said, he was shouting, because people were furious, and he was shouting, &#039;I didn&#039;t want to kill her, I didn&#039;t want to kill her.&#039; ... I was a few meters away, watching, I was shocked, so I didn&#039;t participate in anything. I was just looking and watching. And they said, &#039;We can&#039;t even give him back to the police, because they will just let him go away, so what should we do?&#039; .... I heard him. He didn&#039;t say, that &quot;I didn&#039;t want to-- I wasn&#039;t the one who shot her,&#039; or anything. He was just crying, because he was afraid, &#039;I didn&#039;t want to kill her.&#039; So they let him go, because they didn&#039;t know what to do with him. They should either harm him, or give him back to the police, none of them would work, in that situation, and they were afraid to expose themselves, to the police. So they just let him go. And they took his identity cards. 
&#160; &#160; The BBC interviewer did not ask Arash, his opinion about it, the merits of this hypothesis. Obviously, Arash didn&#039;t believe it, that this passing basij did it. Arash later repeated his original belief instead, quoted in the  youtube posting, that it was a gunshot from a rooftop.
&#160; &#160; The wound he described is consistent with a bullet on a downward trajectory, and inconsistent with a bullet fired from nearby, on the street.
&#160; &#160; There was no exit wound. This suggests a bullet traveling much slower than its muzzle velocity (decayed by air drag and also by gravity, if a shot in the air). &quot;I can verify that the bullet came from in front and it didn&#039;t leave from her back, so there were no bullets--, bullet wounds--, exit points from her back&quot; (at 4:00).
&#160; &#160; The blood from her mouth and nose came from a lung puncture, he posits, and the blood gushing from her chest, and her quick death, a puncture of her aorta. Both these structures, I presume, are below the entry wound (&quot;in the chest, below her neck,&quot; where he was pressing in the video). If so, then she would have to be bending over at the waist, for a street level shot to travel that path. 
&#160; &#160; The BBC interviewer did not ask Arash, his opinion about it, could it be a shot into the sky, from far away, a few streets away, a mile or two away.
&#160; &#160; The BBC interviewer did not ask Arash, about it, why did he believe the gunshot came from a rooftop, and not closer, from street level. He might have mentioned this: it sounded further away, he saw no basiji on the street, the crowd did not react as if the shooter was nearby, or among them, on the street, the trajectory of the bullet and no exit wound.
&#160; &#160; The context of this question (who shot Neda) is the driving, relentless, campaign -- the BBC a leader of it -- to demonize Iran, as a violent criminal, despotic, evil, empire, a regime of liars and gangsters, fit to assassinate and bomb.
&#160; &#160; Here, John Simpson says a regime thug did it, maliciously, wilfully, executed Neda. But John Simpson knew, when he said it, that he did not know it to be true, what he confidently asserted to be an unassailable fact:
&#160; &#160; John Simpson. &quot;A few streets away when Neda Soltan -- the young woman whose face has since become known throughout the world -- was shot dead, by one of the government&#039;s thugs.&quot; (audio 29:00 at 23:00) (BBC Radio 4, &lt;i&gt;The Report,&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lmqhl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;June 25 2009&lt;/a&gt;, 8pm).
&#160; &#160; It&#039;s surely so that a basiji did it, fired the shot which killed Neda.
&#160; &#160; Arash Hejazi. &quot;She was shot by a basiji member, which are the armed people. Yes, the anti-riot police never use firing guns, they never, they just use anti-rioting tools, and tear gases. But the basij is armed, is an armed force, and they don&#039;t follow the rules that are set for the police. I don&#039;t-- The police is not shooting people. These people are.&quot; (BBC video, 19:01 at 18:15).
&#160; &#160; But John Simpson&#039;s description is incompatible with a shot fired into the sky, by a basiji, from where he was, for example, John Simpson, reporting the sound of gun shots, a few streets away from Neda, at the same time she died. That shot could be negligent, it could be reckless (if the shooter was not defending his life or the lives of others), but it could not be malicious, wilful, as John Simpson said it was, by the words he chose, a heartless murder, by a government thug.
&#160; &#160; It was a tragedy, not murder, if it was a shot into the sky, a tragedy, from public disorder, incited, aided and abetted, by bold lies, by untrue, factual assertions, broadcast by the BBC and by it&#039;s U.S. partner in crime, RFE/RL: Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, its Radio Farda, and Voice of America, in service of an agenda, selling a dishonest narrative, instead of using an honest narrative as a tool to explain the actual facts.
&#160; &#160; Neda died for a single reason. She was lied to. She believed her vote was not counted. That&#039;s why she was on the street. That&#039;s what she said to her fiancé, Caspian Makan.
&#160; &#160; That was 8 days after the election. Mousavi and his backer Rafsanjani, did they know, by that time, that the ballot count was honest? I don&#039;t know, the box counts were published later than that (I believe), but they did know this, just like the preacher said, at Friday prayers, there was a legal procedure by which they could audit the ballot counts of any ballot boxes they chose, a transparent balloting system, with ballots, stubs, signed count forms, signed sealed and delivered.
&#160; &#160; Instead of doing what the preacher said, proving their case, with their own observers, checking ballot box counts with their observers, recounting ballots, if they reported a different figure, instead of that peaceable method of settling all questions, they chose instead to incite the crowd to protest some more, the next day, Saturday, when Neda died.
&#160; &#160; That&#039;s about as despicable as it gets, dishonest conduct by Mousavi and Rafsanjani. They have Neda&#039;s blood on their hands, just like the preacher predicted.
&#160; &#160; The basiji are an intolerable affront to the rule of law, their apparent license to do as they please. So too, Iran&#039;s vague, standardless, censorship decree, and the faceless, nameless bureaucrats who administer it (as Arash Hejazi, a book publisher, has explained in his writings), and some of it&#039;s criminal laws, equally a license to rule by whim, vague language which makes most citizens criminals, a duplicate of Nazi Germany laws, including criminalizing free speech, criticizing leaders.
&#160; &#160; But these are political issues Iranian leaders should be encouraged, in good faith, directly, to tackle, not by provoking riots, by lying that an election was rigged, an election the contenders had the means (observers) and opportunity to challenge and did not.
&#160; &#160; Here&#039;s the guardian council&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://209.85.227.132/translate_c?hl=en&amp;u=http://www.shora-gc.ir/portal/Home/ShowPage.aspx%3FObject%3DNews%26CategoryID%3D4d425fd9-748e-4826-8378-24118396b087%26LayoutID%3D7952d93c-6e32-4abc-8026-eb54e465f88a%26ID%3D4086d4f9-0a6d-4f02-a597-2bdced99f99e&amp;prev=hp&amp;rurl=translate.google.com&amp;usg=ALkJrhgqcQ0L_ZBJiLQZJd8qTM261e6t9Q&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;90 page report&lt;/a&gt; (July 16 2009), on the election complaints, and how they dealt with them. I can&#039;t read it, maybe somebody will eventually translate it, honestly. - CJ Harwood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(@persianadvocate. I'm from Nashville, but I live in London).</p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; This is the origin of the sniper theory:<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The eye witness said it.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; He was standing 3 feet from Neda when the bullet struck her, he later said, Arash Hejazi, the man helping her music teacher in the video. The video was posted to youtube quoting these as his words: "shot by a basiji member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house" (youtube video v=fmi-LePl894, posted June 20).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The discussion here was, who did it. Arash did not see the shooter, he was speculating. But this wasn't the usual protest scene. There was no disorder, no public protest, no confrontation, where Neda died. She had left a demonstration on another street and was now on a street, at a place, where there was no conflict (Saturday June 20 2009, 7:35pm).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; So Arash's impression, a rooftop shooter would likely be a cold-blooded assassin, not a basiji in a fear or passion, embroiled in a violent confrontation. As this assassin theory aged, it became ever more doubtful, because there were so few gunshot deaths in the street. An assassin theory posits many more, be it a CIA assassin (intending to stir the crowd to ever greater anger and violence), or a state assassin (intending to terrify the public into submission). Those other victims were at places of violent disorder (so far as we know).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; So setting aside the sniper theory, leaves two other hypotheses: (1) a shooter on the street in a heat of passion or (2) a bullet shot into the sky, far away, a mile or two, now on its downward trajectory.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Arash left Tehran 4 days later and arrived at London on Wednesday June 24 at 1:54pm, according to Paulo Coelho who posted some emails.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; 30 hours later, the BBC posted a 19 minute video, filmed in England, Arash Hejazi, interviewed by Rachel Harvey, "<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8119658.stm" rel="nofollow">The man who tried to save Neda</a>" (video, 19:01) (BBC News, London, posted Thursday June 25 2009, 18:22pm), excerpts: "'She died in less than a minute'" (video edit, 2:23), "Iran: the death of Neda Agha-Soltan" (audio edit, 6:57) (BBC World Service, <i>Newshour,</i> London, broadcast June 25, 20:05pm GMT, posted June 26, 15:31pm), BBC TV broadcast a 2 minute video edit on its 24 hour news channel (BBC News TV, June 25, 17:45, 19:41), and he was separately interviewed earlier by Eddie Mair (BBC Radio 4, <i>PM,</i> June 25 2009, 5-6pm at 5:18-5:23pm).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Arash Hejazi. "Neda was standing one meter away from me, I didn't know her, she was one other person in the crowd. ... I heard the sound, I asked my friend, who was standing next to me, 'What was that? was it a gunshot?' ... We heard the sound from in front of us, from where we were standing, we had the impression that it had come from a rooftop."<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; He described what the crowd did:<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Arash Hejazi (at 5:58). "But afterwards, some people believed that it was-- They actually took someone, with a basij card, and they said that he was on a motorcycle, coming from the other way, hiding in the corner. Some people shouted, that 'We got him. We caught him.' People went towards him, and they disarmed him, and took out his identity cards, which was a basij member. And he said, he was shouting, because people were furious, and he was shouting, 'I didn't want to kill her, I didn't want to kill her.' ... I was a few meters away, watching, I was shocked, so I didn't participate in anything. I was just looking and watching. And they said, 'We can't even give him back to the police, because they will just let him go away, so what should we do?' .... I heard him. He didn't say, that "I didn't want to-- I wasn't the one who shot her,' or anything. He was just crying, because he was afraid, 'I didn't want to kill her.' So they let him go, because they didn't know what to do with him. They should either harm him, or give him back to the police, none of them would work, in that situation, and they were afraid to expose themselves, to the police. So they just let him go. And they took his identity cards.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The BBC interviewer did not ask Arash, his opinion about it, the merits of this hypothesis. Obviously, Arash didn't believe it, that this passing basij did it. Arash later repeated his original belief instead, quoted in the  youtube posting, that it was a gunshot from a rooftop.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The wound he described is consistent with a bullet on a downward trajectory, and inconsistent with a bullet fired from nearby, on the street.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; There was no exit wound. This suggests a bullet traveling much slower than its muzzle velocity (decayed by air drag and also by gravity, if a shot in the air). "I can verify that the bullet came from in front and it didn't leave from her back, so there were no bullets--, bullet wounds--, exit points from her back" (at 4:00).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The blood from her mouth and nose came from a lung puncture, he posits, and the blood gushing from her chest, and her quick death, a puncture of her aorta. Both these structures, I presume, are below the entry wound ("in the chest, below her neck," where he was pressing in the video). If so, then she would have to be bending over at the waist, for a street level shot to travel that path.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The BBC interviewer did not ask Arash, his opinion about it, could it be a shot into the sky, from far away, a few streets away, a mile or two away.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The BBC interviewer did not ask Arash, about it, why did he believe the gunshot came from a rooftop, and not closer, from street level. He might have mentioned this: it sounded further away, he saw no basiji on the street, the crowd did not react as if the shooter was nearby, or among them, on the street, the trajectory of the bullet and no exit wound.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The context of this question (who shot Neda) is the driving, relentless, campaign -- the BBC a leader of it -- to demonize Iran, as a violent criminal, despotic, evil, empire, a regime of liars and gangsters, fit to assassinate and bomb.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Here, John Simpson says a regime thug did it, maliciously, wilfully, executed Neda. But John Simpson knew, when he said it, that he did not know it to be true, what he confidently asserted to be an unassailable fact:<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; John Simpson. "A few streets away when Neda Soltan -- the young woman whose face has since become known throughout the world -- was shot dead, by one of the government's thugs." (audio 29:00 at 23:00) (BBC Radio 4, <i>The Report,</i> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lmqhl" rel="nofollow">June 25 2009</a>, 8pm).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; It's surely so that a basiji did it, fired the shot which killed Neda.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Arash Hejazi. "She was shot by a basiji member, which are the armed people. Yes, the anti-riot police never use firing guns, they never, they just use anti-rioting tools, and tear gases. But the basij is armed, is an armed force, and they don't follow the rules that are set for the police. I don't-- The police is not shooting people. These people are." (BBC video, 19:01 at 18:15).<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; But John Simpson's description is incompatible with a shot fired into the sky, by a basiji, from where he was, for example, John Simpson, reporting the sound of gun shots, a few streets away from Neda, at the same time she died. That shot could be negligent, it could be reckless (if the shooter was not defending his life or the lives of others), but it could not be malicious, wilful, as John Simpson said it was, by the words he chose, a heartless murder, by a government thug.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; It was a tragedy, not murder, if it was a shot into the sky, a tragedy, from public disorder, incited, aided and abetted, by bold lies, by untrue, factual assertions, broadcast by the BBC and by it's U.S. partner in crime, RFE/RL: Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, its Radio Farda, and Voice of America, in service of an agenda, selling a dishonest narrative, instead of using an honest narrative as a tool to explain the actual facts.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Neda died for a single reason. She was lied to. She believed her vote was not counted. That's why she was on the street. That's what she said to her fiancé, Caspian Makan.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; That was 8 days after the election. Mousavi and his backer Rafsanjani, did they know, by that time, that the ballot count was honest? I don't know, the box counts were published later than that (I believe), but they did know this, just like the preacher said, at Friday prayers, there was a legal procedure by which they could audit the ballot counts of any ballot boxes they chose, a transparent balloting system, with ballots, stubs, signed count forms, signed sealed and delivered.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Instead of doing what the preacher said, proving their case, with their own observers, checking ballot box counts with their observers, recounting ballots, if they reported a different figure, instead of that peaceable method of settling all questions, they chose instead to incite the crowd to protest some more, the next day, Saturday, when Neda died.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; That's about as despicable as it gets, dishonest conduct by Mousavi and Rafsanjani. They have Neda's blood on their hands, just like the preacher predicted.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; The basiji are an intolerable affront to the rule of law, their apparent license to do as they please. So too, Iran's vague, standardless, censorship decree, and the faceless, nameless bureaucrats who administer it (as Arash Hejazi, a book publisher, has explained in his writings), and some of it's criminal laws, equally a license to rule by whim, vague language which makes most citizens criminals, a duplicate of Nazi Germany laws, including criminalizing free speech, criticizing leaders.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; But these are political issues Iranian leaders should be encouraged, in good faith, directly, to tackle, not by provoking riots, by lying that an election was rigged, an election the contenders had the means (observers) and opportunity to challenge and did not.<br />
&nbsp; &nbsp; Here's the guardian council's <a href="http://209.85.227.132/translate_c?hl=en&amp;u=http://www.shora-gc.ir/portal/Home/ShowPage.aspx%3FObject%3DNews%26CategoryID%3D4d425fd9-748e-4826-8378-24118396b087%26LayoutID%3D7952d93c-6e32-4abc-8026-eb54e465f88a%26ID%3D4086d4f9-0a6d-4f02-a597-2bdced99f99e&amp;prev=hp&amp;rurl=translate.google.com&amp;usg=ALkJrhgqcQ0L_ZBJiLQZJd8qTM261e6t9Q" rel="nofollow">90 page report</a> (July 16 2009), on the election complaints, and how they dealt with them. I can't read it, maybe somebody will eventually translate it, honestly. - CJ Harwood</p>
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		<title>By: jacobblues</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacobblues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, now three weeks since the last blog entry.  Must be one hell of a vaction everyone&#039;s on. 

So Rafsanjhani spoke today.  Meaningful or meaningless?  

Is he a day late and a dollar short with his public support for the protestors?  Or was his political capital spent on securing behind the scene&#039;s support in the various council&#039;s (experts, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, now three weeks since the last blog entry.  Must be one hell of a vaction everyone's on. </p>
<p>So Rafsanjhani spoke today.  Meaningful or meaningless?  </p>
<p>Is he a day late and a dollar short with his public support for the protestors?  Or was his political capital spent on securing behind the scene's support in the various council's (experts, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: persianadvocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>persianadvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CJ:
There is one reason only why the Basiji did not take to the streets with their guns and that is because they are aware that they some of them would be overtaken along with their arms and also out of fear of creating a momentum of anger among the people that they would not be able to quell.

There is video of a Basiji shooting into an unarmed crowd from a rooftop, killing one and wounding many, and the crowd subsequently setting the Basiji stronghold on fire. Your hypothesis, clearly aimed at vindicating the Iranian regime of any guilt, is as good as a JK Rowling fantasy. The Basiji clearly shot Neda in the same way the last Basiji shot the man in the unarmed crowd aforementioned.

As for the short swords, I am sorry that you are not, in any way, knowledgeable about Iran beyond what you read on the Internet. It would behoove you to learn at least a few words of Farsi and to read the eye witness reports all over Twitter. Many pictures emerged of Basiji with batons, some electric, and of the police and Basiji with their state equipped short sword (called the Qame). It&#039;s been a staple of the state military and paramilitary since the time of the Qajar dynasty.

As far as anonymity goes, I have been a staple of this blog for nearly 2.5 years now. You suddenly sprung up out of nowhere with ridiculous claims that the Iranian regime is somehow incapable of lying to its own people and more likely to be innocent in this scenario than guilty. Internet anonymity is no strange thing, particularly in a blog where controversial issues are discussed. 

By the same logic you applied, I don&#039;t accept that you are a 14th generation Virginian. And if you are, it makes sense: someone in Nashville, Tennessee, who likely does not know more than one or two Iranians, and speaks not a lick of Farsi, having never really understood the country&#039;s dynamics (as evidenced in your postings) would babble the garbage you post here regularly within this blog entry. You really should lift your veil of ignorance and read more of the primary source. I suggest Rosetta Stone in Farsi as a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CJ:<br />
There is one reason only why the Basiji did not take to the streets with their guns and that is because they are aware that they some of them would be overtaken along with their arms and also out of fear of creating a momentum of anger among the people that they would not be able to quell.</p>
<p>There is video of a Basiji shooting into an unarmed crowd from a rooftop, killing one and wounding many, and the crowd subsequently setting the Basiji stronghold on fire. Your hypothesis, clearly aimed at vindicating the Iranian regime of any guilt, is as good as a JK Rowling fantasy. The Basiji clearly shot Neda in the same way the last Basiji shot the man in the unarmed crowd aforementioned.</p>
<p>As for the short swords, I am sorry that you are not, in any way, knowledgeable about Iran beyond what you read on the Internet. It would behoove you to learn at least a few words of Farsi and to read the eye witness reports all over Twitter. Many pictures emerged of Basiji with batons, some electric, and of the police and Basiji with their state equipped short sword (called the Qame). It's been a staple of the state military and paramilitary since the time of the Qajar dynasty.</p>
<p>As far as anonymity goes, I have been a staple of this blog for nearly 2.5 years now. You suddenly sprung up out of nowhere with ridiculous claims that the Iranian regime is somehow incapable of lying to its own people and more likely to be innocent in this scenario than guilty. Internet anonymity is no strange thing, particularly in a blog where controversial issues are discussed. </p>
<p>By the same logic you applied, I don't accept that you are a 14th generation Virginian. And if you are, it makes sense: someone in Nashville, Tennessee, who likely does not know more than one or two Iranians, and speaks not a lick of Farsi, having never really understood the country's dynamics (as evidenced in your postings) would babble the garbage you post here regularly within this blog entry. You really should lift your veil of ignorance and read more of the primary source. I suggest Rosetta Stone in Farsi as a start.</p>
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		<title>By: leopoldo1978</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an intresting reportage of 1979 revolution in Iran by the italian-iranian writer Amineh Pakravan (in french):

http://aminehpakravan.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an intresting reportage of 1979 revolution in Iran by the italian-iranian writer Amineh Pakravan (in french):</p>
<p><a href="http://aminehpakravan.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://aminehpakravan.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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