Comments on: Obama in Cairo: The Making of a Prophet? http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/ A blog about life in the hottest and holiest region in the world. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:10:40 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: persianadvocate http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1884 persianadvocate Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:51:14 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1884 LOL (!!!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yiQXPOO1Yo&feature=player_embedded LOL (!!!):

]]> By: Obama in Cairo: The Making of a Prophet ? « http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1842 Obama in Cairo: The Making of a Prophet ? « Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:29:18 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1842 [...] Obama in Cairo: The Making of a Prophet ? Posted on June 8, 2009 by theolounge President Obama’s speech in Cairo a few days ago is the most important address ever given by an American leader about the Middle East. As he told 1,000 people at Cairo University and millions more around the world, everything won’t be solved by a speech. Yet it was an unprecedented reach-out to Muslims and particularly to the Arab world. > more. [...] [...] Obama in Cairo: The Making of a Prophet ? Posted on June 8, 2009 by theolounge President Obama’s speech in Cairo a few days ago is the most important address ever given by an American leader about the Middle East. As he told 1,000 people at Cairo University and millions more around the world, everything won’t be solved by a speech. Yet it was an unprecedented reach-out to Muslims and particularly to the Arab world. > more. [...]

]]> By: Is Obama Worship Becoming Something More? | THE WEEKLY POINT http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1831 Is Obama Worship Becoming Something More? | THE WEEKLY POINT Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:58:01 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1831 [...] Points Obama in Cairo: The Making of a Prophet? - The Middle East Blog – TIME.com Scott [...] [...] Points Obama in Cairo: The Making of a Prophet? - The Middle East Blog – TIME.com Scott [...]

]]> By: tanarg http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1819 tanarg Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:59:14 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1819 Moderate Muslims may as well not exist. They are invisible. I cannot believe all Muslims are not Islamists at heart unless they start saying so, and even then, they could be lying. I trust them as much as I trust Obama. Not at all. There's a reason people want to verify his citizenship status to determine if he is constitutionally eligible to be president: He early on demonstrated quite clearly that he lies. His performance as president has clearly demonstrated once again that he is a liar and is drunk on power. Moderate Muslims may as well not exist. They are invisible. I cannot believe all Muslims are not Islamists at heart unless they start saying so, and even then, they could be lying. I trust them as much as I trust Obama. Not at all. There's a reason people want to verify his citizenship status to determine if he is constitutionally eligible to be president: He early on demonstrated quite clearly that he lies. His performance as president has clearly demonstrated once again that he is a liar and is drunk on power.

]]> By: aaaai http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1815 aaaai Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:28:40 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1815 Where do you come up with this stuff Cole? Talk about blanket statements about an entire region and religion... Tell me, why was there no Jihad 50 years ago? Why is terrorism relatively new? (1970's onwards) The underlying reasons are political and socio-economic, not religious. The entire basis for Islamic fundamentalists is that the the Arab world is the state it is in now because people aren't pious enough and are too Westernized. It's an absurd concept to grasp when you're well off and you have civil rights. It's an easy concept to grasp when you're dirt poor and oppressed. If spreading Islam is such an important duty within the religion, why don't we see more Muslim missionaries all over the globe? Where do you come up with this stuff Cole? Talk about blanket statements about an entire region and religion...

Tell me, why was there no Jihad 50 years ago? Why is terrorism relatively new? (1970's onwards)

The underlying reasons are political and socio-economic, not religious. The entire basis for Islamic fundamentalists is that the the Arab world is the state it is in now because people aren't pious enough and are too Westernized. It's an absurd concept to grasp when you're well off and you have civil rights. It's an easy concept to grasp when you're dirt poor and oppressed.

If spreading Islam is such an important duty within the religion, why don't we see more Muslim missionaries all over the globe?

]]> By: cole55 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1812 cole55 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:24:07 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1812 The Making of a Prophet ?? That would be pushing it !! _ Firstly there was not a single thing Obama said today that has not been said on the so-called Islamic hate blogs - _ But what is worrying - is that anyone who criticizes Islam - is labelled an "Islamophobe" and a "racist" - for saying almost word for word what Obama has said. _ I can even remember writing along with others - on one very popular anti-jihad blog - as to the fact that there are no Muslim Gandhi type figures - no Martin L Kings - or even Nelson Mandelas - and if Muslims wanted to solve the Palestinian crisis they would be better off - employing peaceful means - and that this would get them more international support. Hey - but that's considered "hateful" and "racist" - except when Obama says it - - and what's more in defence of Israel - what if the Blacks is America resorted to violence - 40 years ago - the Whites would have been forgiven - for erecting a wall (or barrier) of some sort - to protect themselves. And 40 years on - through peaceful means - the Blacks in America - well the President is Black - as a measure of progress - versus the utter devastating conditions the Palestinians live in - having achieved little or nothing over the same period. _ All while the Arabs build 'The World' and 'The Palm' employing almost no one (or so-called 'Arabs') from the region :-) _ As far as I'm concerned Obama shouldn't be allowed to take credit - entirely - for what the blogs have been saying for years. - Islam needs to revamp itself - and to free these people from this religious - tyranny. That is why the bloggers are not listening - that is why they will keep going. _ Being accused of stereotyping Islam - is a little insulting - in that all you have to do is read the news - In Pakistan - (CompassDirect) a Christian couple is being charged with the desecration of the Koran -- for having a Koran in their home -- they offered to hold some of the belongings for a neighbour in trouble - but when it was found - they may have touched his Koran - with unwashed hands - they were charged with blasphemy - which carries the death penalty - this was dropped for the lesser charge of defiling the Koran - for simply being non-Muslims in possession of a Koran. _ Yet Obama today - talked glowingly of the first American president with a Koran - in his library !! _ Obama said he was going to fight for the right of the Muslim woman to wear the headscarf! - But in Kuwait earlier this week - a group of man walked out of the parliament - in protest that some of the first ever elected women - did not have on a headscarf. These are fighting not to have to wear one! _ Obama says my father was a Muslim - One wonders if Obama only wants to hear good news from the Middle East - as any Egyptian - with a Muslim father - goes to church - and publicly admits that they are now Christian - will be put in prison - and there is nothing politically correct about it. In Egypt he and his children and his grandchildren will be forcibly - made to be Muslim - and they would be arrested and regularly tortured if they tried to go to church. (HRW) _ I dear say - Obama and others (The Left) should respect what those critics of Islam are saying. To perhaps stereotype all of Islam's critics is unfair as well. _ Obama simply sugar coated - what many bloggers have been saying all along - the good thing is maybe Muslims will listen to him - as the bloggers are all 'haters' and 'racists' - oh.. did I forget - we believe ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS !! _ In some ways the news is still of little comfort - the things mentioned above are sanctioned by Shari'a - and therefore many Muslims believe that this system of law and conduct is right for every country including the US - that's the point of Islamic jihad or terrorists actions! Also sanctioned by the Koran!! Luckily most Muslims are willing to try and bring the world under Islam peacefully - it is their religious duty!! (see Jizya, Dar al-Islam, Dar al-Harb) The Making of a Prophet ??

That would be pushing it !!
_

Firstly there was not a single thing Obama said today that has not been said on the so-called Islamic hate blogs -
_

But what is worrying - is that anyone who criticizes Islam - is labelled an "Islamophobe" and a "racist" - for saying almost word for word what Obama has said.
_

I can even remember writing along with others - on one very popular anti-jihad blog - as to the fact that there are no Muslim Gandhi type figures - no Martin L Kings - or even Nelson Mandelas - and if Muslims wanted to solve the Palestinian crisis they would be better off - employing peaceful means - and that this would get them more international support.

Hey - but that's considered "hateful" and "racist" - except when Obama says it -

- and what's more in defence of Israel - what if the Blacks is America resorted to violence - 40 years ago - the Whites would have been forgiven - for erecting a wall (or barrier) of some sort - to protect themselves. And 40 years on - through peaceful means - the Blacks in America - well the President is Black - as a measure of progress - versus the utter devastating conditions the Palestinians live in - having achieved little or nothing over the same period.
_

All while the Arabs build 'The World' and 'The Palm' employing almost no one (or so-called 'Arabs') from the region :-)
_

As far as I'm concerned Obama shouldn't be allowed to take credit - entirely - for what the blogs have been saying for years.

- Islam needs to revamp itself - and to free these people from this religious - tyranny.

That is why the bloggers are not listening - that is why they will keep going.
_

Being accused of stereotyping Islam - is a little insulting - in that all you have to do is read the news -

In Pakistan - (CompassDirect) a Christian couple is being charged with the desecration of the Koran -- for having a Koran in their home -- they offered to hold some of the belongings for a neighbour in trouble - but when it was found - they may have touched his Koran - with unwashed hands - they were charged with blasphemy - which carries the death penalty - this was dropped for the lesser charge of defiling the Koran - for simply being non-Muslims in possession of a Koran.
_

Yet Obama today - talked glowingly of the first American president with a Koran - in his library !!
_

Obama said he was going to fight for the right of the Muslim woman to wear the headscarf!

-

But in Kuwait earlier this week - a group of man walked out of the parliament - in protest that some of the first ever elected women - did not have on a headscarf. These are fighting not to have to wear one!

_

Obama says my father was a Muslim -

One wonders if Obama only wants to hear good news from the Middle East - as any Egyptian - with a Muslim father - goes to church - and publicly admits that they are now Christian - will be put in prison - and there is nothing politically correct about it. In Egypt he and his children and his grandchildren will be forcibly - made to be Muslim - and they would be arrested and regularly tortured if they tried to go to church. (HRW)

_

I dear say - Obama and others (The Left) should respect what those critics of Islam are saying.

To perhaps stereotype all of Islam's critics is unfair as well.

_

Obama simply sugar coated - what many bloggers have been saying all along - the good thing is maybe Muslims will listen to him - as the bloggers are all 'haters' and 'racists' - oh.. did I forget - we believe ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS !!

_

In some ways the news is still of little comfort - the things mentioned above are sanctioned by Shari'a - and therefore many Muslims believe that this system of law and conduct is right for every country including the US - that's the point of Islamic jihad or terrorists actions! Also sanctioned by the Koran!! Luckily most Muslims are willing to try and bring the world under Islam peacefully - it is their religious duty!!
(see Jizya, Dar al-Islam, Dar al-Harb)

]]> By: Obama draws questions, praise from Muslims - The Political Asylum - Forums for Intelligent Discussion & Debate http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1810 Obama draws questions, praise from Muslims - The Political Asylum - Forums for Intelligent Discussion & Debate Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:54:58 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1810 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: aaaai http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1809 aaaai Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:09:17 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1809 Good post Brooke. I too have high hopes for Obama. Good post Brooke. I too have high hopes for Obama.

]]> By: aaaai http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1808 aaaai Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:07:29 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1808 It's the hypocrisy of saying one thing and doing another that gets to people. If you're going to push democracy, then really push it. If you're going to put your foot down and force elections, then don't ostracize the government that people elect. It's the hypocrisy of saying one thing and doing another that gets to people. If you're going to push democracy, then really push it. If you're going to put your foot down and force elections, then don't ostracize the government that people elect.

]]> By: brookeatl http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/comment-page-1/#comment-1807 brookeatl Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:48:45 +0000 http://mideast.blogs.time.com/?p=1350#comment-1807 As anticipated, Barack Obama's speech in Cairo this morning has sparked a blogging frenzy focused on whether or not there was a positive impact on the Muslim world. Instead of adding to the redundancy, I would like to talk about the investment our President made today in a new Middle East. In college, I was fortunate enough to take an introductory negotiations course that covered a variety of famous political, religious, financial, and emotionally charged arbitrations. Although it is unnecessary to go into course specifics, it has been interesting to watch Barack Obama productively utilize negotiation tactics when handling the Middle East. As somebody with a Jewish heritage, it has been frustrating watching many Israeli Jews and American Jews quickly becoming critical of our new president's strategy for a peaceful solution. All too often, I hear about how Barack Obama is straining our current relationship with Israel. Instead I would like somebody to consider frustrations as the"growing pains" necessary for us to move beyond prior convictions and work our way back up to a "clean slate." The Bush administration may have supported Israel in every way imaginable, but 8 years later we can only say that they maintained a status quo in the region. More importantly, unwavering support for Israel cost the United States one of its previously greatest assets; the ability to mediate between nations. When I watched Barack Obama's speech today, I could not find fault with his praise for Muslim achievements and scrutinizing of Israel's occupation of lands negotiated on in prior treaties. While I do believe that Islamic extremists have caused Americans to become increasingly weary of the Muslim faith, our inability to differentiate between extremists and the main stream religion have added to the fire and set the grounds for a self-fulfilling prophecy. Before Barack Obama can think about negotiating a peace deal in the Middle East, he must first become a negotiator in the eyes of those who live there. Over the past 2 years, recognized agreements have failed because citizens did not believe that their leaders were making decisions in their best interests. A real peace will only happen when the average citizen fully understands where the other side is coming from, what compromises they have made, and why they are willing to make them. Only then can Muslims and Jews talk "human to human" at the negotiating table. Today Barack Obama invested in the Middle East by sowing the seeds that will allow him to become a formidable, reliable, unbiased (as much as any American can be), and informative negotiator for all people of the region. When both Muslim and Jew can refer to Barack Obama as a source for understanding, explaining, and compromise, maybe then a few settlements will REALLY be worth the security and prosperity from everlasting peace. As anticipated, Barack Obama's speech in Cairo this morning has sparked a blogging frenzy focused on whether or not there was a positive impact on the Muslim world.
Instead of adding to the redundancy, I would like to talk about the investment our President made today in a new Middle East.
In college, I was fortunate enough to take an introductory negotiations course that covered a variety of famous political, religious, financial, and emotionally charged arbitrations. Although it is unnecessary to go into course specifics, it has been interesting to watch Barack Obama productively utilize negotiation tactics when handling the Middle East. As somebody with a Jewish heritage, it has been frustrating watching many Israeli Jews and American Jews quickly becoming critical of our new president's strategy for a peaceful solution. All too often, I hear about how Barack Obama is straining our current relationship with Israel. Instead I would like somebody to consider frustrations as the"growing pains" necessary for us to move beyond prior convictions and work our way back up to a "clean slate."
The Bush administration may have supported Israel in every way imaginable, but 8 years later we can only say that they maintained a status quo in the region. More importantly, unwavering support for Israel cost the United States one of its previously greatest assets; the ability to mediate between nations. When I watched Barack Obama's speech today, I could not find fault with his praise for Muslim achievements and scrutinizing of Israel's occupation of lands negotiated on in prior treaties. While I do believe that Islamic extremists have caused Americans to become increasingly weary of the Muslim faith, our inability to differentiate between extremists and the main stream religion have added to the fire and set the grounds for a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Before Barack Obama can think about negotiating a peace deal in the Middle East, he must first become a negotiator in the eyes of those who live there. Over the past 2 years, recognized agreements have failed because citizens did not believe that their leaders were making decisions in their best interests. A real peace will only happen when the average citizen fully understands where the other side is coming from, what compromises they have made, and why they are willing to make them. Only then can Muslims and Jews talk "human to human" at the negotiating table.
Today Barack Obama invested in the Middle East by sowing the seeds that will allow him to become a formidable, reliable, unbiased (as much as any American can be), and informative negotiator for all people of the region. When both Muslim and Jew can refer to Barack Obama as a source for understanding, explaining, and compromise, maybe then a few settlements will REALLY be worth the security and prosperity from everlasting peace.

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