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Obama-Bibi Showdown
"Who the f*** does he think he is? Who's the f***ing superpower here?"
This is what President Clinton fumed after his first meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu after the latter became Israel's prime minister the first time in 1996. The anecdote comes from The Much Too Promised Land, Aaron David Miller's account of his years as a top Middle East advisor to six secretaries of state.
As President Obama holds his first White House meeting with Netanyahu next week, I hope that by now he has read Miller's frank, brilliant study. One of the things that Miller makes clear is that, although Netanyahu headed the government of a strong U.S. ally, Netanyahu and the Clinton administration did not see eye to eye on the peace process. So much did the Clinton team fear Netanyahu's potentially destructive impact, Miller writes, that during the runup to the Israeli elections in 1996 "much of what we did during that period was designed to support Peres and in so doing save Arab-Israeli diplomacy." The night Bibi was elected, Miller recalls, "all I could think about was how we were going to save the Oslo process from extinction."
Clinton, Miller recalls, "really didn't like Netanyahu, at least in the beginning." He records an episode in which Clinton became angry when Netanyahu retracted a concession to release Palestinian prisoners, and yelled at the Israeli prime minister, "This is just chicken shit. I'm not going to put up with this kind of bullshit." For their parts, Secretary Albright and National Security advisor Berger were "frustrated by Netanyahu's erratic and often obstinate policies, particularly on settlements." Miller says Albright had two small rubber lookalike figures of Netanyahu and Arafat in her office and "I could imagine her squeezing the hell out of them when she got frustrated." According to Miller, "all of us saw Bibi as a kind of speed bump that would have to be negotiated along the way until a new Israeli prime minister came along who was more serious about peace."
As he has done again after his recent election as prime minister, Netanyahu affirmed his desire for peace during the Clinton years. Despite his hard-line position and personal loathing of Arafat, he signed agreements with the Palestinians: the Hebron accord in 1997 calling for Israel's military withdrawal from the Biblical city in the West Bank; and the Wye River accord, arranging for the implementation of a previously agreed Israeli withdrawal from other West Bank areas. But Netanyahu's three-year tenure as prime minister, as Miller had feared on election night, effectively hammered most of the nails into the coffin of the Oslo peace process. Notorious Likud provocations, such as opening a controversial tunnel in disputed Old Jerusalem and building the Har Homa settlement in east Jerusalem, helped poison Palestinian confidence in the peace process, while Netanyahu's agreements with Arafat helped cause the eventual collapse of his right-wing governing coalition.
The mistake Clinton made was the decision to "work with" Netanyahu, in the belief that any progress would require the cooperation of Israel's prime minister. But in fact American hopes were destined to be dashed for the simple reason that despite the close alliance between the U.S. and Israel as countries, there was a total disconnect between Clinton's policies and Netanyahu's: Clinton supported Oslo, and presided over the signing of the accord on the White House lawn, and Netanyahu bitterly opposed it. By "working with" Netanyahu for three years, Clinton effectively cooperated with Netanyahu's agenda to scuttle the peace process. That indeed contributed to the eventual final collapse of Oslo in 2000, and made an embarrassing mockery of a superpower's claim to being an "honest broker."
MIller makes a good case for the notion that it was worth a shot at working with Netanyahu until another Israeli prime minister came along. I'm not sure Obama now has that luxury, however; the world has changed in the decade since Bibi last held office. To cite just one important factor: since 2002, the U.S. government has explicitly supported the creation of a Palestinian state, and with Obama's inauguration earlier this year, the U.S. has a president who believes it is a strong American interest to settle the Arab-Israeli conflict. Netanyahu, by contrast, continues to adamantly oppose a Palestinian state. It seems, then, that Obama and Netanyahu are on a collision course, at least where Middle East peace is concerned.
--By Scott MacLeod/Cairo
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Hey Scott,
I have a question: Do you honestly believe anything good concerning the peace process will come out under Bibbi's administration?
In my personal opinion, I believe Bibbi, just like all previous Israeli prime ministers, only want peace if it comes at a very cheap price. And by a very cheap price I mean: not dismantling any west bank settlements (maybe just a few unimportant ones), all of Jerusalem will belong to Israel, and refusal of the return of the 5 million plus Palestinian refugees. What is your take on this? -
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Scott -- Google "Obama Netanyahu 'collision course'", and you get about 23,000 hits. So it's safe to say that your analysis is the conventional wisdom. If you'd like a different perspective, here's Shmuel Rosner's view:
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http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=7f94dc76-eb01-4865-b87b-f34adcd3487d
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Key quote:
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Some pretense [of conflict and disagreement] and masquerading is necessary for both Obama and Netanyahu as they present their agenda and ponder in public the outcome of their meeting. But more than the two of them care to admit, they have surprisingly similar expectations and needs. In essence, they come to the meeting as realists pretending to be something else--Netanyahu the peace-skeptic, Obama the peace-maker.
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They both know the "big" truths: Peace with the Palestinians isn't in the cards any time soon. Peace with Syria seems less likely than both Israel and the U.S. were hoping. (Obama sent his emissaries to Damascus twice in recent weeks, and twice they came back empty handed--resulting in an almost immediate renewal of sanctions and a public reprimand of the Syrian regime for not making enough of an effort to stop the smuggling of terrorists to Iraq.) Both know that Iran is a problem that needs be dealt with in the near future--and Obama knows as much as Netanyahu that this is not "Israel's problem" but a problem about which Arab leaders are wringing their hands behind closed doors.
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The only thing I'd add is that I'm more hopeful about peace between Israel and the Palestinians. The one absolute precondition to peace from Israel's perspective is a guarantee that a Palestinian state will not be used as a missile/bomber launching pad by Iranian-sponsored rejectionists. The seeming intractability of this problem is, I believe, the reason that Rosner says that peace is "not in the cards". Netanyahu believes that Palestinian economic development (which would be desirable in any case) must play a key role in preventing a Palestinian state from posing security threats to Israel. I think that these twin issues of security for Israel and economic development for Palestine may be solvable with the engagement of the Arab states, which want to get the Palestinian issue resolved so that the region can focus on the common Iranian threat. But I'm an optimist by nature, and this may be mere naivety. -
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They're only "big" truths if you want them to be. Deflecting the attention to Iran won't solve a thing. Iran isn't the problem in this case, the lack of Palestinian state is. If Iran is such a big threat (and it really isn't), then the best way to neutralize it is to resolve the Palestinian issue and steal Iran's thunder.
I don't think that Iran should be nuclear armed, but you know what, I don't think Israel should be nuclear armed either.
I hope Obama gets tough with Bibi. The only US president to do so in my living memory was Bush Sr., and that says a lot.
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The hasbara brigade strikes again! Isnt strange that asbestosagain (and co) never ever misses an opportunity to defend his Israeli government no matter who is the prime minister. How much does the Israeli government pays you?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media?commentpage=3&commentposted=1
Well, not that its my business but I wonder if the pay is good enough for you to justify the killing of innocent civilians, the occupation of Palestine, and the continued misery of 5 million plus Palestinian refugees who most of them live in refugee camps as a result of Israel's ethnic cleansing and its refusal to give them their universal right to return to their lands they were kicked out of. -
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Bibi has made solving the Iranian situation a first before peace with the Palestinians. He has got it reversed. If he makes peace with the Palestinians, the other Arab states can focus their energies on Iran. As long as Bibi runs rough shod over the Palestinians, he only emboldens Iran and makes the other Arab countries look weak.
Bibi does have the chance to be "Nixon goes to China", and any peace agreement Bibi puts forth will have the support of everyone except the ultra-nationalists.
Bibi is right about Palestinian economic prosperity. The problem is it comes 30 years too late, which Israel exploiting the West Bank at the expense of the Palestinians. Is he willing to get that up? Does he have a plan for helping the Palestinians economically or is he simply blowing smoke.
Bibi and Barak will find commonground, if only for appearances. They will agree on trying to keep Iran from being nuclear and agree on helping the Palestinians economically. I am sure Obama will put a positive spin on everything and will keep whatever dirty laundry behind closed doors.
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aaaai -- I may be older than you, so my memory might be longer than yours. Jimmy Carter was no supporter of Israel in office, any more than he is now. And Reagan's sale of AWACS planes to the Saudis came over loud objections from Israel and its American supporters. Here's an Op-Ed from today's NYT, in which Israeli leftist historian Martin van Creveld makes the point that American presidents like Carter, who are tough on right wing Israeli governments, may in fact be Israel's best friends in the long run. He wants Obama to be tough on Netanyahu, too.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/16/opinion/16iht-edcreveld.html?hpw
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FHM -- You and I are in substantial agreement. The Arab states want to help with the Iran problem, but the Palestinian issue makes overt cooperation with Israel very difficult for them. Thus my perhaps naive hope that Israel and the Arab states will both be incentivized to find a mutually acceptable solution, which will certainly involve Palestinian statehood, and then concentrate on Iran.
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Karim -- Are you really Egyptian? If so, thanks to your government for its recent successes in keeping weapons from being smuggled to Hamas in Gaza. Preventing Hamas rocket attacks on Israel is a tremendously positive step toward peace.
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1242212383655&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull -
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All of this concern about Israel makes me reflect upon the wisdom of our founders.
George Washington on Israel
"A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification." ~George Washington Farewell Address
"The nation which indulges toward another habitual hatred or habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interests." ~ George Washington
"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
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Obama-Bibi showdown is really a showdown between Obama and US congress, after all half of US congress members attend a last AIPAC conference in capital with a blinding support for Israel agenda.
It'll be interesting to see if US congress going to back US president or continue to do business as usual, and more importantly how US voters going to perceive US congress behavior and if they're going to vote to unseat those who deliberately side with Israel agenda against US president agenda in a next election.
Stay tuned for a ultimate battle between US patriots and AIPAC for control of US internal-popular sovereignty! -
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rightonu, AIPAC ARE American patriots. We have an interest in Israel's existence at its strongest possible level as they are the only democracy that shares our western values, and is the front line of the global jihad movement.
I believe Obama must work with Netanyahu as Clinton did with Netanyahu, but Netanyahu must also work with Obama. Bibi's got to see that his government can fall faster than obama's, and he'll be out of a job if he fails. What must happen is we gotta give the Palestinians as little as possible, and Israel as much as possible. The "Palestinian people" is a fraudulent idea, as there was never an independent peoples or nation called Palestine, just Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian nomads who flocked to the villages and town the Jews built. This can be done by confronting Iran, but calling out Bibi's stalling.
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whoajay,
AIPAC are American patriots?? America has an interest in Israel's existence at its strongest because its a democracy?!
Do you honestly believe that America is risking all of its interest in the middle east especially when it comes to making sure it receives oil from the arab countries just because Israel is a democracy? Is that why every American president makes sure he doesnt piss off AIPAC? Is that why its crucial for every American president hopeful to make sure he has AIPAC on his side if he is really serious about winning the election? Its all just because Israel is a democracy??
Read the book Israel lobby and the US foreign policy. It refutes all of the given excuses of why Israel is the recipient of the largest foreign aid and why America stands up for Israel so much. -
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http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/05/iraqi-insurgents200905
This is not conspiracy theory anymore. US policy has been hijacked by a small highly organized group who have one loyalty. Who benefited from an unstable Iraq - strangely both Israel and Iran - who share a desire for a constant state of war because they do not want real progress.
The following happened and provides transparency on the NeoCon movement and its disastrous affect on US prestige, economy and young American lives. -
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Israel is NO democracy, Peres is a liar and Bibi is bad news for all.
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"Israel is not a democracy but is an Ethnocracy, meaning a country run and controlled by a national group with some democratic elements but set up with Jews in control and structured to keep them in control.”-Jeff Halper, American-Israeli, Founder and Coordinator of ICAHD/Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions.
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"There's no doubt that Israel does have a large nuclear arsenal. This has been known ever since before I became president, and even Israeli leaders have said publicly that this is true."- President Jimmy Carter.
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Within days of the announcement of a record 205 nominations for 2009's Nobel Peace Prize, [one of several prizes endowed by Swedish industrialist and dynamite inventor Alfred Nobel] perpetual nominee Mordechai Vanunu declined the honor in a letter to the Nobel Peace Prize Committee in Oslo:
."I am asking the committee to remove my name from the nominations…I cannot be part of a list of laureates that includes Simon Peres…Peres established and developed the atomic weapon program in Dimona in Israel…Peres was the man who ordered [my] kidnapping…he continues to oppose my freedom and release…WHAT I WANT IS FREEDOM AND ONLY FREEDOM….FREEDOM AND ONLY FREEDOM I NEED NOW."
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In 1963, when Vanunu was nine years old the Zionists came to his home town of Marrakech, Morocco and convinced his Orthodox father to abandon his general store and pack up the first seven of his eleven children for the land of milk and honey. Instead, the Vanunu's were banished to the desert of Beesheva.
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A few months later, Shimon Peres, then Israel's Deputy Minister of Defense met with President John Kennedy, inside the White House.
.Kennedy told Peres, "You know that we follow very closely the discovery of any nuclear development in the region. This could create a very dangerous situation. For this reason we monitor your nuclear effort. What could you tell me about this?"
.Peres replied, "I can tell you most clearly that we will not introduce nuclear weapons to the region, and certainly we will not be the first."
.By September of 1986, Peres was convulsing over Vanunu, who had been employed as a lowly tech in his progeny; Israel's clandestine underground nuclear weapons centre in the Negev called the Dimona.
.Peres ordered the Mossad, to "Bring the son of a bitch back here."
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Peres ordered Vanunu's kidnapping that included a clubbing, drugging and being flung upon an Israeli cargo boat back to Israel for a closed door trial.
.In 1985, before quitting the Dimona, Vanunu shot 56 photos of the top-secret labs and production processes that proved Israel had become a major nuclear power by stockpiling between 100 and 200 atomic bombs within the six underground levels where plutonium production, and secret nuclear weapons were assembled without any knowledge, debate or authorization from its own citizens. Israel has yet to allow International Inspectors into the aged Dimona plant which is leaking and endangering the health of its own citizens.
.Peres was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for playing a part in achieving the Oslo Declaration of Principles.
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According to the preamble of the DOP, this peace was supposed to be based on mutual respect and reconciliation.
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Ever since receiving the Nobel Peace Prize for his part in achieving the Oslo agreement, Peres has been most instrumental in helping to destroy the agreement.
.Alfred Nobel's intention was to reward people with a moral backbone. Nobel had hoped to create icons and examples to humankind.
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Annually since 1986, Vanunu has been nominated for The Nobel Peace Prize. When Bishop Tutu nominated him in 2007, Vanunu told me that he didn't want the award if Israel refused him the liberty and freedom to go and accept it.
.In April 1999, thirty-six members of the House of Representatives signed a letter calling for Vanunu's release from prison because they believed "we have a duty to stand up for men and women like Mordechai Vanunu who dare to articulate a brighter vision for humanity."
.President Clinton responded with a public statement expressing concern for Vanunu and the need for Israel and other non-parties to the Non-Proliferation Treaty to adhere to it and accept IAEA safeguards.
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Eileen Fleming, Founder of http://wearewideawake.org/
A Feature Correspondent for http://www.arabisto.com/ and http://www.paltelegraph.com/
Author of "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
I produced "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" because corporate media has been MIA all during a Freedom of Speech Trial in Israel. -
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Scott, I'm betting my money on Netanyahu.
Israel will never miss a chance to kill more Arabs and grap more land with the backing of the US tax payers money and lifes.BTW, President Obama Chief of Staff is an Israeli citizen and served in the Israeli Army.
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You loose habiboO1: "On the eve of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's crucial visit to Washington, his defense minister suggested Saturday the Israeli leader might be ready to endorse a Palestinian state when he meets President Barack Obama...a significant shift for Netanyahu"-AMY TEIBEL, AP writer
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BTW, The greatest menace to freedom is an inert people.
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Yes, let's not "deflect" attention to the fact that Iran is supplying Hamas with weapons. The palestinians could have had the beginnings of a state with a "Judenrein" Gaza but voted to go to war with Israel instead. Too bad no construction material is entering Gaza but Israel is under no obligation to trade or open borders with a territory that has declared war on her. The palestinians could have had a state but Arafat refused and went to war, after having pledged not to, and stole billions from his people. If Israel is such a "land grabber" why did they return over 90% of the land captured in the six-day war in exchange for peace, along with the Alma oil field they developed?
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Egypt has opened it's border with Gaza now so the palestinians can get their construction supplies that way. BTW, Israel purchased their cement for the seperation barrier from a palestinian firm.
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wow, 15 comments and, as usual, scott has written nothing about Egypt. Why hasn't anyone commented on: "the poor Taliban". Over 1,000 dead in two weeks and 1,000,000 people homeless. What about it scott??? No comment ????
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asbestosagain,
Loved the NYT article. The author really knows his stuff. And he hit on Bibi head on. There was a reason why Ariel Sharon never trusted Bibi and relied on Shimon Peres as his confidant. I will give Bibi credit for abiding by previous agreements, even when he did not agree with them, and he was willing to shake Arafat's hand, which I don't many Israelis (including Sharon) would have never done. And as crooked as Bibi may be, he is/was a lot more honest than Ehud Barak. Barak may have been a great soldier, but he was a complete political hack. He and Arafat were quite a team of conniving conmen, who misread each other at every turn.I see the author's point that Obama has to be hard on Bibi to provide political cover. However, being the "bad cop" is against Obama's nature. Unfortunately, he will play "nicey-nicey" with Bibi so as not to alienate the AIPAC crowd who are already suspicious of him.
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Dror,
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Why wait for Scott to write about topics so far afield. Remember, it been what? two, three months, since he declared he was going to have that big interview with Ayman Nour.
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I can only imagine the size of the drop cloth Scott used when writing the above quote. -
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Whoajay20 had this gem for us:
"The "Palestinian people" is a fraudulent idea, as there was never an independent peoples or nation called Palestine, just Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian nomads who flocked to the villages and town the Jews built."
Seriously? You actually believe that? To me that's about on par with holocaust denial for ignorance, or worse, stupidity.
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asbestosagain, that NYT article is fantastic. I've always thought that Martin Van Creveld was a great author. I particularily liked the Sword and the Olive. And you're right, Jimmy Carter was before my time, 3-4 years before I was born to be exact....
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Despite Netanyahu being a complete douchebag, he at least doesn't hide his true feelings and paint a rosy, politics-friendly picture of his plans as PM. He wants Israel to continue settling over indigenous people and for Israel to remain a Middle East superpower, even at the cost of war.
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One little thing he forgot: Israel cannot win by fighting. It's a puny country largely dependent on US support. Slaughtering people in Gaza who had no air force or advanced conventional weaponry and were already starved to near-death by Israel for 18 months using state of the art crater-makers does not make Israel mighty. -
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[...] - There were also no reports of personal gestures, small-talk or anecdotes – the kind that usually follows a meeting between an American president and an Israeli PM. My guess is that Netanyahu felt that this image of the meeting would serve him better at home. He probably understood well before the meeting that sooner or later he would reach some sort of confrontation with the administration, and he wants to present a tough and consistent line (but not to create the fire himself). The PM is much more careful than in his previous term – when a meeting with Bill Clinton ended with the frustrated president asking “who’s the fucking superpower here?” [...]
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[...] arrogant that he believes that Israel will be allowed to continue on this course? Bill Clinton's reaction on meeting Netanyahu possibly gives us the answer to that [...]
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