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Why The Pope Can't Help Middle Eastern Christians

Ever since the year 1204 AD, when the soldiers of the Fourth Crusade sacked the Christian city of Constantinople instead of "liberating" Jerusalem from Muslim rule, Christians in the Middle East have been understandably wary of emissaries of Rome. Today, as Christians in the Middle East prepare for the arrival of Pope Benedict on his first trip to the Holy Land, many are worried that the unpredictable pontiff might stir up passions at a time by religious strife and political cold war. “The thing that worries me most is the speech that the pope will deliver here,” said Archbishop Fouad Twal, the Latin patriarch of Jerusalem, in an interview with Haaretz on Wednesday. “One word for the Muslims and I'm in trouble; one word for the Jews and I'm in trouble. At the end of the visit the Pope goes back to Rome and I stay here with the consequences.”

But another reason to be concerned about the trip that one of its main purposes -- to lend moral support to the diminishing number of Christians in the region – just isn't going to work.

There is certainly reason to be concerned about the exodus of Christians from the Middle East, who once constituted 20 percent of the population, but whose numbers have fallen to just 2 percent now. The presence of Christians in the Holy Land is both an important symbol of continuity with the origins of the faith, and a reminder of the multi-sectarian, and tolerant history of Arab and Islamic culture.

Though that culture of tolerance is today under threat from the rise of religious extremism, Clash of Civilization pundits and Western leaders like the Pope often ignore how the West helped spark such intolerance, especially through its one sided support of Israel.

Israel a major stop on Pope Benedict's journey and a focal point of Western involvement in the Middle East. And while support for the modern revival of the ancient Biblical nation runs deep among many Christians in America and Europe, the creation of Israel has been a disaster for Christians in the Middle East. Many of the Palestinian refugees who fled or were forced from their homes in 1948 -- never to be allowed back -- were Christians. The flood of Palestinian refugees into Lebanon helped spark a civil war between Muslims and Christians there. And the ongoing occupation of the West Bank is strangling the life out of those Christian communities that are left. A UN report released a week ago said that the Palestinian West Bank town of Bethlehem – Christ's birthplace and a major stop on the Pope's visit – is now almost totally controlled by Israel.

The ongoing Israel occupation of the Palestinian territories has also helped fuel the rise of Islamic extremism, especially in countries that have unpopular peace agreements with Israel. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, the main opposition to the American-backed Mubarak dictatorship, waged a small-scale terror campaign against both the government and the country's Coptic Christians during the 1990's. Since then, in an effort to de-rail the Islamist movement, the secular Mubarak regime has embrace some of their opponent's religiosity, and perhaps some of its anti-Coptic prejudice. Last month, in a supposed measure to prevent Swine flu, the government ordered the slaughter of every single pig in the country, even though there were no documented cases of the flu and humans don't contact swine flu from pigs. Pork-eating Copts worried that they were being set up as scapegoats.

Ironically, some of the best friends to Christians in the Middle East have been at odds with America and the West. The secular societies that formed in the 50's and 60's in opposition to Israel-- especially the Baathist regimes in Iraq and Syria, and Egypt under Nasser – were pretty good protectors of religious pluralism. About 5 or 6 percent of Iraq's population in the 1970's were Christian, and some of Saddam Hussein's most prominent officials, including Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz were Christians. But since the American invasion of Iraq, Christians have fled in droves, and constitute less than one percent of the population. Luckily, Syria – which survived attempts by the Bush Administration to isolate the Assad regime -- is still like a living museum of otherwise forgotten Christian sects and shrines.

Middle Eastern societies have also done much on their own to implode, and create fertile grounds for extremism to flourish. But that doesn't mean that one speech from a foreign religious leader is going to heal the mistrust and stop the cycle of violence that started 60 years ago with a political act. In fact, Muslims in the Middle East are getting tired of visiting Western leaders who talk down to them about tolerance but don't practice it at home. If Western society is so multi-cultural, why do Westerners care so much about Christians in the Middle East? It smacks of the same kind sectarian attitudes of the European colonial era, when British and French rulers elevated the region's Christian groups to positions of authority in order to manage their mostly Muslim empires.

And even Middle Eastern Christians have given up looking to the likes of the Pope for help. In Lebanon, the Middle Eastern nation with the largest concentration of Christians, roughly half of the country's Christians have broken away from the sect's traditional, pro-western leadership, and have formed a political alliance with Hizballah, the Shia Muslim anti-Israeli militant group. The leader of these breakaway Christians, a populist former General named Michel Aoun, is betting that the only way to secure a Christian future in Lebanon is to look East towards the rising power of Shia Islam. It may seem far-fetched now, but there may come a day when Christians hit the Arab street to welcome not a Pope from Rome an ayatollah from Iran.

--Andrew Lee Butters/Beirut

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    Streets welcoming Iran not Rome!
    That'll be so cool.

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    [...] Why The Pope Can’t Help Middle Eastern Christians Posted on May 9, 2009 by theolounge Ever since the year 1204 AD, when the soldiers of the Fourth Crusade sacked the Christian city of Constantinople instead of “liberating” Jerusalem from Muslim rule, Christians in the Middle East have been understandably wary of emissaries of Rome. Today, as Christians in the Middle East prepare for the arrival of Pope Benedict on his first trip to the Holy Land, many are worried that the unpredictable pontiff might stir up passions at a time by religious strife and political cold war.  > mehr. [...]

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    Thank you Andrew for the on target analysis, but I must add that Jesus laid down the 'law' to Christians in the Sermon on the Mount with the biblical injunctions to go visit the prisoners, comfort the weary, care for the ill and shelter the widow and orphan for what ever one does or does not do unto any other; they do it or not unto the Lord.
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    Hebrew Prophet's such as Amos sounded calls for justice and shone lights upon hypocrisy in high places where abuses of power manipulated, controlled and destroyed those without.
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    The prophets attempted to awaken the people to God's deep passion for justice in society and Amos aimed his accusations at the elite of Israel-most especially the teachers of the law:

    "I hate, I despise your religious feasts; I cannot stand your assemblies. Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them. Though you bring choice fellowship offerings, I will have no regard for them. Away with the noise of your songs! I will not listen to the music of your harps. But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream!" - Amos 5:21-24
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    When Jesus threw the bankers/money changers out of the Temple, he was overthrowing the established order of buying one's way to God's heart.
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    Two thousand years ago the Cross had NO symbolic religious meaning and was not a piece of jewelry. When Jesus said: "Pick up your cross and follow me," everyone back then understood he was issuing a POLITICAL statement, for the main roads in Jerusalem were lined with crucified agitators, rebels, dissidents and any others who disturbed the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces.
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    The term Christianity was not coined until three decades after Christ walked the earth. Until the day of Paul, followers of Christ were called members of The Way; the way being what he taught!

    Christ was never a Christian, but he was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up [intifada in Arabic] for he challenged the job security of the Temple authorities by teaching the people they did NOT need to pay the priests for ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be OK with God; for God already LOVED them just as they were: sinners, poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Military Occupation.
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    What got Jesus crucified was disturbing the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces of his time, by teaching the subversive concept that Caesar only had power because God allowed it and that God preferred the humble sinner, the poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Occupation above the elite and arrogant.
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    Eileen Fleming, Founder of http://wearewideawake.org/
    Feature Correspondent for http://www.arabisto.com/ and http://www.paltelegraph.com/
    Author of "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" and I produced "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" because corporate media has been MIA all during a Freedom of Speech Trial in Israel.

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    Wow.

    I knew Israel was at fault for political and economic failure of all Arab states, Islamic extremism and the massacres and ethnic cleansings of Middle Eastern Jews. Now I find out that we're also at fault for the persecution of Middle Eastern Christians!

    Well, I guess it makes sense. Arabs, in scotts world never do bad things because they are bad people. Only because someone "Badder" (us) MADE them do it.
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    FYI- Chrstians made up 90% of the Middle Eastern population before the Muslim invasion in the 7th centuary, over 60% (80%in Egypt) around the 14th century and, in Syria, probably around 30% at the beginning of the 19th centuary.
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    The Christian marginalization started a LONG time before Israel was founded and has next to nothing to do with Israel's existence today.
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    Muslims are not blowing up churches in Pakistan or ass killing all (Coptic owned) Pigs in Egypt because they somehow link the native Christians to Israel. They are doing it because... well because they are Muslims. And becaus Islam today, and throughout most of history, is NOT tolerant.
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    If you think Muslim intolerance has anything to do with Christianity "Supporting" Israel (BTW the pope only recognized Israel in 1994. So much for that theory) examine the case study of the Yezidis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi.
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    Certainly not christian but over 80% have fled the Middle East (Turkey and Syria as well as Iraq) since 1990. It just isn't fun living amongst a Muslim mjority Scott.
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    Scott is correct in describing the official tolerance of the old secular Arab nationalism to "Arab" Christians. The reason is that most of those Secular movements (BAATH, et al) are the CREATION of Arab Christians. If you look at the founding members of the movement you will see that most are Christian, Druze or Alawite. the whole Idea of Arab, rather than Islamic, nationalism is the INVENTION of Syrian Christians.
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    For the same reason that a disproportionate members of the communist revolutionaries in tsarist Russia were Jews, Georgians, Poles, Tartars and Ukranians- The minorities opressed by the Russian-Orthodox state Ideology had the highest vested interest in overthrowing the existing order. And indeed minorities enjoyed a short renaisance in the new Soviet order. But by the 50's the Russians becae dominant in the government once again and went back to supressing the minorities with a vengenance- they just used different terminology to justify it.
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    Same thing with the secular Arab regimes. Christian representation in government, particularly in Egypt, dropped as soon as the revolutinaries had a few years in power. In Syria, where a militant Aawite minority came up on top of the series of coups in the 50's, The christians still have a semi-protected position as part of the Alawite-Druze-Christian-Shia minorities alliance. Elsewhere- not.
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    Another FYI: When Israel pulled out of Bethlehm in 1993 Christians made up 80% of the population. by 2000 it was 40%. 2008- 20%. It's not Israeli rule which caused them to flee. It's LACK of it..
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    The sad thing is that Scott's right in one thing. Many Lebanese christians (not half. more like 25%) are alighning with Hezboallah. For the Same reason that many are supporting the Sunni goernment of Hariri. They are hoping that one side or the other will "protect" them from Muslim extremsts. Both are wrong.

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    yboxman Says: "Another FYI: When Israel pulled out of Bethlehm in 1993 Christians made up 80% of the population. by 2000 it was 40%. 2008- 20%. It's not Israeli rule which caused them to flee. It's LACK of it.."

    In 2005, the Roman Catholic Mayor of Bethlehem, Roman Catholic mayor of the now majority Muslim city said, "We need peace between the two peoples, and the only way we can get peace is if the occupation is ended."
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    After Hamas was democratically elected U.S. aid for the West Bank and Gaza was cut off because five of the City Council's members were Hamas.
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    The Mayor also said the city wasn't getting any help from the world's Christian churches, despite its historic importance to those faiths, "That's what we hear," the mayor said with exasperation. "We hear about Christians, Christians, Christians helping Bethlehem being a Christian city, but we are getting nothing out of it. Nothing. Zero!"
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    He pled his city's case in a meeting with Pope Benedict XIV on Sept. 7, 2005, but still no help from the Vatican.
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    Batarseh said Christians have left to get away from the violence due to the Occupation and dried up economy because of the Occupation.
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    The majority-Muslim city of Bethlehem has a Roman Catholic mayor because its charter-renewed by a decree from Palestinian leader Mahood Abbas-calls for eight of 15 city councilors to be Christians.
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    "Batarseh said Christians have left to get away from the violence due to the Occupation and dried up economy because of the Occupation."

    Aha. And if he did NOT say that what do you think would happen to him? Or to the remaining Christians of Bethlehm? Take a wild guess about what would happen to him if he said something like: "Our enemy is not the occupation but the Muslim neighbors who torch our houses, use our neighborhoods to fire on the Jews and abuse us when we leave our homes".

    Read a bit about what happened to the orchestra conductor who took her band to perform before Israeli holocust survivors to get general idea of what Palestinian Muslim tolerance actualy consists of.

    "The majority-Muslim city of Bethlehem has a Roman Catholic mayor because its charter-renewed by a decree from Palestinian leader Mahood Abbas-calls for eight of 15 city councilors to be Christians."

    Abu Mazen's presidential decree was made to preserve a facade of the christian character of Bethlehm for tourist and international reasons. But what matters to the actual PEOPLE living there is who rules the street and what those who rule the street do.

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    Hi Andrew:

    This post is so filled with lies it's not even worth the respect of going through each one.

    Bottom line: A characteristic of anti-Semitic propaganda is to cast the Jewish state as an enemy of Christianity, like you have done.

    You are a bigot, a poor journalist, and a truly vile human being.

    Good luck in your life when this charade ends, and you have to get a real job like everyone else.

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    Especially to yb oxman-an excerpt from my second book:
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    The first time I met Mayer Batarseh was when he traveled to Orlando to meet with Mayor Buddy Dyer, with the hope to re-ignite The Twinning Agreement that was signed in May 2001 by the then Mayors of Bethlehem and Orlando.

    The Twinning Agreement is a sister-pact that affirmed Orlando and Bethlehem would encourage tourism to the other and promote a global community. I followed up on Mayor Batarseh's visit with my own visit to Mayor Buddy Dyer's office one week after the Mayors had met.

    I informed the Orlando Mayor's public relations representative about an opportunity to help the city of Bethlehem and was seeking the Mayors support in getting the word out about two events that were already scheduled and my involvement with Palestinian Children's Welfare Fund. I got nowhere...
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    But in March, 2006, while in Bethlehem, Mayor Batarseh, informed my group, “When the occupation is ended there will be peace. If the world boycotted Israel for six months they would comply with the UN Resolutions which is all we want! There is state terrorism and Israel must be forced to recognize our right to exist. For the past ten years Hamas has worked with and helped the poorest of people, they have built schools and orphanages. The PA took the money but Hamas was providing the social services!
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    “Israel is a state built on religious beliefs. The US and EU and all the free world are against theocracies. But Israel has the right to do anything! The world needs to WAKE UP! If there is no peace in the Holy Land there can be no peace anywhere. End the occupation and there will be peace the very next day. All the terrorism in the world can be traced back to the Palestinian situation. All the money spent on weapons and war could eliminate world poverty.”
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    My Sabeel [Arabic for The Way] group also met four newly elected Hamas members, but we never got to meet any terrorists. Two had been elected to the Palestinian Parliament/PLC and two to the Municipality/local government. PLC Representative, Anwer M. Zboun, lives in the Abiet refugee camp and has a Masters Degree in Physics.
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    Thirty-three year old Mahmoud Alkhatib lives in Aida refugee camp and has obtained a Masters Degree in Islamic Studies. Khaled Saada and Salah Shuka were elected to the Municipality/local government. Our translator was George Rishmawi, whom I first met in June 2005 when he worked for Holy Land Trust.
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    Mr. Zboun greeted us in English with a broad smile on his face and stated, “We welcome you to our home and the Holy City of Bethlehem. We are suppose to be terrorists, are you afraid?”
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    We all laughed then Zboun continued earnestly, “We are a Palestinian resistance movement and we are not against any people. We are against the occupation. We want to rebuild what the occupation has destroyed. Hamas was born from the suffering of the Palestinian people and we belong to the global Muslim movement. It was on December 14, 1987 after an Israeli driver killed nine Palestinians that the first Intifada [uprising] began and the Islamic Resistance movement in Palestine was renamed Hamas.
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    “Hamas is a national liberation movement based on Sharia; Islamic Laws and Orders. Hamas is not against any religion. We are not a terrorist movement, but we resist the occupation. Christians voted for us for many reasons and they know we are faithful to this cause: that God knows better than we ourselves know what is for our benefit. We do not force anyone to believe as we do. The public and private schools both teach Islam and Christianity.
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    “In November 1988 Arafat issued a birth certificate for the Palestinian State and under religion he stated: ‘None.' This is because we are a secular state. As Muslims and Christians we live together peacefully and our attitude is citizenship is for everyone. Everybody should have freedom of belief, traditions and a personal life. Hamas does not propose anything that contradicts Christianity.
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    “Our slogan is: Remove Suffering for everyone. The issue of Israel is about the occupation. We have no problems with religious beliefs; our problem is that Israel is illegally occupying our land. Since March 2005, we have honored a unilateral cease-fire. But Israel martyred 200 Palestinians, injured 1,200 and has detained 3,500. Many are under the age of sixteen. In the last two weeks Israel has killed twenty-five Palestinian and yet we have maintained the cease-fire. Israel does not recognize us and recognition takes both sides.
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    “Abbas has stated that we do recognize Israel, but there must be clear borders and Israel does not yet have them. The PA recognized Israel ten years ago but we Palestinians are detained in an open air prison. We resist the occupation which is our right guaranteed under International Law. International Law demands Israel withdraw to the 1967 borders, release the prisoners, and stop the assassinations, illegal wall and home demolitions.
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    “Hamas defines terrorism as a violation of the rights of others and their property. Bush defined terrorism as evil. We are weak with resources and our voice is not heard in the West, only the voice of America and Israel gets press. America asked us to hold democratic elections and we did. We thank everyone who was involved in our transparent and democratic elections. We did what the USA asked and now they are punishing our people. Democracies are supposed to respect and not intervene in what others want.
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    “We had democratic and transparent elections and how are we rewarded? By the EU and the USA who have cut funds to the poorest of people who live under occupation. Hamas suggested that the International community monitor all the financial aid to assure that it went to the people and not to Hamas. We offered this suggestion to the world and we have been ignored.
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    “So now we look to the Arab and Muslim world to strengthen our local infrastructure and economy and hope to bring back investors. We know there are people in Europe and America who will not allow us to go hungry. We believe aid and support are in Gods hands and not governments.”
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    Eileen Fleming,
    Founder of http://wearewideawake.org/
    Author of "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
    I produced "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" because corporate media has been MIA all during a Freedom of Speech Trial in Israel.

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    yboxman,
    I have a number of Palestinian friends, almost all of them are Christian, and all of them complain about Israel and the occupation. I went to college with two Palestinian sisters who grew up in Kuwait, they have told me of the story of how their father was terrorized by Israeli soldiers and the only reason he was not executed was because he had a Bible in his hands. Israel has not treated the Christian Arabs well. I suggest you read the book called "Blood Brothers" about a Christian Arab priest who has struggled to reach peace with Israeli Jews. You will read of how his family welcomed Jews with open arms into Palestine and how his community was forced to leave their village and have lived in internal exile in Israel ever since, thanks to the broken promises of the Israeli government that they had the "right of return". I have spoken to those Christians from Bethelham. While they have faced pressure from Islaim militants, the driving force for them to leave has been Israel.
    Israel has long had a policy of making the lives of Palestinians miserable in the hopes that they would leave. The problem is that only those who are wealthy can afford to leave, leaving the poor. Many of those who have left are Christians, who have family who live in the U.S. and other countries.

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    It is sad that so many Christian Zionists in this country are more concerned about Israel than they are concerned about Christians in the occupied territories. This is because of racism. These Christian Zionists are right wing bigots who support Askenazi Jews over Arab Christians. Clearly, they identify much more with their European heritage than their Christian faith.

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    This is a very important post, as are the responses. People are reading and waking up. Thank you from another Irish American.

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    Thank you fhmadvocat for great input from this Irish American too. I also have Palestinian Christian and Muslim friends who all agree the Occupation is the root of the problem which has exacerbated the injustices of the UN Partition Plan.
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    dalybean is right about people waking up because the truth cannot be silenced forever and education is the way to compassion and compassion the way to change.
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    We the people are culpable in how where our government lays our $$$ down.
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    Please check out:
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    http://ifamericansknew.org/
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    http://www.endtheoccupation.org

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    PS- May 12 is call Congress Day to Vote Against More Money for War.
    http://www.fcnl.org/afghanistan/may12_afghanistan_call.htm
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    Thanks to all who make the call.

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    "It was on December 14, 1987 after an Israeli driver killed nine Palestinians that the first Intifada [uprising] began and the Islamic Resistance movement in Palestine was renamed Hamas."
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    Errr... What? FOUR Palestinians died in that road ACCIDENT.
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    And What exactly is the link between that and the Islamic resistence movement being named Hamas?
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    "Israel has long had a policy of making the lives of Palestinians miserable in the hopes that they would leave."
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    Hmmm... In 1949 there were 600,000 Palestinians in the West Bank. In 1949 there were 650,000 (population growth was nullified by immigration o the East Bank and the Gulf). In 1987 there were 1.5 million. Seems to me Israeli "Policy", or more to the point economic opportunities Israeli rule entailed, had the result of encouraging them to STAY.
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    "Israel has not treated the Christian Arabs well."
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    I recommend you compare the emigration rates of Israeli Arab christians to those of the surrounding countries. If they have it so bad here then why are they staying? and if they hve it so good there then why are they leaving?
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    THINK about it.
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    "It is sad that so many Christian Zionists in this country are more concerned about Israel than they are concerned about Christians in the occupied territories. This is because of racism. These Christian Zionists are right wing bigots who support Askenazi Jews over Arab Christians."
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    For your information some of us (more than half), myself included, are descended from refugees from the Arab world. Having had the experience of being a minority in a Muslim country we have no intention of repeating the experience. Which is the real lesson for Middle Eastern Christians.
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    Lebanese christians would have been better off trying to secede into an independent state in part of Lebanon and/or exchange the Lebanese Muslim population with Syrian christians than how they ended up today.
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    50 years from now the once majority will probably be reduced to 10% of the Lebanese population. 30 years later they will all be gone.

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    Off the subject;
    Obama's upcoming address to the Muslim world will be more appropriate in Indonesia since it have a largest Moslem population in world and having a freely elected government with high standard of living, beside his speech in Indonesia will cut across different sects and races in Moslem world and won't promote racial dictatorial regimes.
    Obama's speech in Egypt going to be perceive as a political support for his Arab clients rather than a speech to all Moslems who are not Arabs and don't accept such %15 minorities with such a human right violations record within Moslem world as a just venue for a important speech!

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    yboxman,

    You seemed to have missed the point. I was being very specific about Palestinian CHRISTIANS, and you throw in statitics about the Palestinians in general. First of all, Bethelham used to be 90% Christian, now it is about 33%. Second, my Christian Palestinian friends have NEVER complained about Islamic militants. I am not saying that Islamic militants are angels, but for Palestinian Christians, the source of them leaving, and I am talking about those who have living in the United States, some whose families emigrated long before the rise of the Islamic movement in the occupied territories. The fact that Palestinian Muslims breed like rabbits does not change that fact that Christians are leaving. The fact is Hamas is using the high birth rate of Palestinian Muslims as a demographic weapon against Israel. Sheik Yassin, before he was killed proposed a "Hudna" for 50 years knowing that non-Jews would outnumber Jews in the Israel and the occupied territories in less than a decade.

    As for Christian Zionists, you should listen to them talk about Jews in this country. They are some of the most anti-Jewish people I know. They are in love in the idea of Israel, but they don't like Jews, and the fact that you are Shepardic would make you even less popular. The fact that you are Shepardic partly explains your right wing views. While Likud's leaders are mostly Askenazi, they main core of support are those from the Shepardic community. The irony is the fact that Israel has never had a prime minister from the Shepardic community despite the fact your community outnumbers the Askenazi. Clearly the hierachy points to those of European descent.
    This is especially true about Christian Zionists who believe that all Jews will eventually have to accept Christ as Savior or they will go to Hell. Bibi knows they are racist, but he uses them to encourage emigration to Israel.

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    Rabid 'Christian' Zionists are NO friend to Israel or Jewish people for they desire nuclear Armageddon in the delusional belief they will be 'raptured'/lifted out of the misery.
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    They adhere to a very small god and have replaced Jesus as the fulfillment of the Hebrew Scriptures with the state of Israel.
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    A Zogby International poll found that 31% of those surveyed strongly or somewhat believed in the ideas behind Christian Zionism, defined as "the belief that Jews must have all of the promised land, including all of Jerusalem, to facilitate the second coming of the messiah."
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    A CNN/Time poll showed that 59% of the American public believes the prophecies contained in the Book of Revelations will come true.
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    The fastest growing cult in the USA-and perhaps also in Scotland-is the cult of Christian Zionism.
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    What is Christian Zionism?
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    Christian Zionism is an extremist Christian fundamentalist movement which supports the claims of those who believe that the State of Israel should take control of all of the land currently disputed between Palestinians and Israelis. It views the creation and expansion of the modern state of Israel as a fulfillment of biblical prophecy toward the second coming of Jesus.
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    Christian Zionism is a two hundred year old theological and political movement that embraces the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism, thereby becoming detrimental to a just peace within Palestine and Israel. The Christian Zionist program provides a worldview where the Gospel is identified with the ideology of empire, colonialism and militarism. In its extreme form, it laces an emphasis on apocalyptic events leading to the end of history rather than living Christ's love and justice today.
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    What is the Christian Zionist connection with the Holy Land ?
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    Believing that God fights on the side of Israel, Christian Zionists call for unqualified support for the most extreme political positions related to the Holy Land. Christian Zionist spokes persons have attributed Hurricane Katrina to God's wrath over our failure to stop Israel from pulling out of Gaza. They consistently oppose any moves towards a solution to the conflict which would validate the political aspirations of both Palestinians and Israelis.
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    Who Supports Christian Zionism?
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    Christian Zionism has significant support within American Protestant fundamentalists, who number between 10 and 20 million. Its reach is broad, by virtue of its favorite themes related to the "End Times" and an Israel-fixated Christian media.
    Christian Zionism is both a "movement" and a way of interpreting current events. Its focus is on Israel and the Middle East, as much an ideology as a "movement." Its promoters share many beliefs but are not organized through any one institution.
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    Throughout history Christians have at times twisted scripture to justify violence: for the Crusades, for Anti-Semitism, and for slavery. Too often the church has been slow to respond to these biblical distortions with disastrous results.
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    Although the Christian Zionists motives are couched in terms of compassion toward the Jewish people based on a literal reading of scripture the political agenda of territorial expansion advocated by Christian Zionists has given rise to injustice against Palestinians and added fuel to the fire of conflict in the Middle East.
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    Christians should remember that on the land we call Holy, Christ delivered his Sermon on The Mount and promised that, "The peacemakers shall be called the children of God."-Matthew 5:9
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    http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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    MOST IMPORTANT:

    Starting in 1987, Protestant denominations were lumped together simply as “Protestant” by the Pentagon which began accrediting hundreds of evangelical [fundamentalist] and Pentecostal “endorsing agencies,” allowing graduates of fundamentalist Bible colleges—which often train clergy to view those from other faiths as enemies of Christ—to fill up nearly the entire allotment for Protestant chaplains and today, more than two thirds of the military's 2,900 active-duty chaplains are affiliated with evangelical or Pentecostal denominations."-HARPER'S, May 2009, "The Crusade for a Christian Military: Jesus Killed Mohammed" by Jeff Sharlet
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    The roots of American evangelism sprang from the original altar call for Christians to stand up against slavery. What has been passing for Christianity in our nation and in particular the military today is the antithesis of what Jesus was all about.
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    "Everyone but Christians understands that Jesus was nonviolent."-Gandhi
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    Clement, Tertillian, Polycarp and every other early Church Father taught that violence was a contradiction of what Christ was about. The first and greatest heresy in the Christian faith occurred in the third century when Augustine penned the "Just War Theory" for church and state united and "our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten system."-Dorothy Day
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    http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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    What a concatenation of anti-Israel tropes, Andrew! As I work, I haven't time to refute them all ... Suffice to say your view of Middle East history is not pro-Israel ... More like "Alice in the Wonderland" through the looking glass ..

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    eileen,

    Hamas as simply an "Islamic Resistance Movement"? Have you read their charter? They blame Jews for the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, what does that have to do with the liberation of Palestine? That seems like nothing about an anti-Jewish diatribe. In addition, Hamas will settle for return to the 1967 borders, for now, but their ultimate goal is all of historical Palestine. While the Palestinian Authority takes of a peace treaty with Israel, Hamas talks of a "Hudna", basically, a truce.

    While resistance to occupation is very understandable, sending people into the country of the occupier and blowing up innocent civilians is not "resistance", that is terrorism. Shooting at occupying forces is resistance, not blowing up pizza parlors in Tel Aviv. I am supportive of Palestinian independence. I am not supportive a number of the methods used by Hamas, Islamic Jihad or the Al Aska Brigades.

  • 21

    fhmadvocat,
    >
    " The fact that you are Shepardic partly explains your right wing views."
    >
    What right wing views? I voted for Kadima in the last two elections and before that for Shinui and Labor. But it's trues enough that you won't find many (almost any) Sepharadics in extreme left organizations like Peace now. Oddly enough closer famaliarity with our neighbors does not result in greater trust.
    >
    "The irony is the fact that Israel has never had a prime minister from the Shepardic community despite the fact your community outnumbers the Askenazi. Clearly the hierachy points to those of European descent."
    >
    It's a Hiearchy of education, political connections, pre-independence Diaspora political organization, patronage networks and money. Ashkenazis had a lead in those departements since they came from more developed countries, were able to get some of their property out when they fled, and European survivors received some paltry individual, rather than state, compensation from the German government. The Arab countries consifcated all our property, Zionist organiztions were less free to operate in the Middle East than in most of Europe, we were able to smuggle out less (worse transportation) and needless to say never recompensated us for the property or lives lost. All these factors were amplified by a 50's social engineering decision to settle a disproportionate number of late arrving Morrocan and Yemenite Jews with Rural backgrounds in the agricultual periphery of the state rather than in the developed Urban core.
    >
    Open predudice towards Sepharadics (Actualy mostly towards Morrocans and Yemenites (me) who were the most backward and poor. Syrians, Iraqis, Egyptians, Algerians and Tunisians did OK) is a relic of the fifties. Identities stopped mattering to most of the population in the 70's and 80's. About 30% of the Israeli Jewish marriages are mixed nowadays so it realy is no longer an issue. Probably by the time a Sepharadic politician who is more… "representative" than Moshe Katsav or Fuad Ben-Eliezer climbs to the PM office nobody will care.
    >
    " You seemed to have missed the point. I was being very specific about Palestinian CHRISTIANS, and you throw in statitics about the Palestinians in general."
    >
    Your claim was that ALL Palestinians wanted to leave the West Bank Because of the "economic strangulation of the occupation" but that Christians had greater opportunity to do so. Since LESS Palestinians left AFTER the occupation than before the "Economic strangulation" as the primary reason for leaving claim would seem to be unfounded.
    >
    As for ISRAELI Christians (that is within the green line): They are not leaving. Except intrnaly to move away from villages and neighborhoods where the Muslim population is increasing. The Jordanian, Syrian, Iraqi ,Egyptian, Lebanese and Palestinan Christians are. Why? What is different?
    >
    1948 Christian refugees: Most fled BEFORE 1948. And they were mostly fleeing the inter-protoPalestinian civil war between the rival warlords rather than the forming IDF.
    >
    I assume the villages you were referring to are Iqrit and Biram, on the Lebanese border. Those are pretty much the only Christian villages forcibly evacuated by the IDF (as a general policy to prevent Rajar style infiltration over the Lebanese border). The wrongs and rights of this can be debated but they account for a very small proportion of the overall refugee or Israeli Christian population.
    >
    " As for Christian Zionists, you should listen to them talk about Jews in this country. They are some of the most anti-Jewish people I know."
    >
    I have. Can't say they are generaly my cup of tea. But most appeared to me to be average Americans with no significant predjudices against Jews, Afro-Americans or anything else. I also met some of the Lunie fringe. It's more accurate that bunch are generaly anti-liberal and view supporting Israel as part of your internal culture war and mix the issue up with abortion, welfare and anything else under the sun. Just as the Ultra liberals (Like scott and Andrew) view bashing Israel as part of your internal culture wars mixing it up with Bushie policy on Iraq, Global warming, Tax cuts and a thousand other issues which have nothing to do with Israel.
    >
    As for the (Dys)Utopian "Jews converting to christ en-masse" vision of that bunch it seems far less threatening than the ultra-libral "abolishing Israel as a particularist state" vision. The first is unrelated to the real world. The second is functionaly supporting (even if that is a byproduct rather than an intent) the terrorists who killed 1200 Israelis thanks to the "Restrain Israel" crowd and the nuclear ambitions of Ahmanijad.
    >
    In the end of the day both are irrelevent, as far as I am concerned, to the subject of this post. The question is not which internal American Ideological camp is "nicer" to Jews or Israel but what is the best survival strategy for Jews, and minorities in general, in the Middle East. The Middle Eastern Christian case study seems to me to indicate that the best survival strategy is not to:
    a. rely on outside intervention to help preserve you.
    OR
    b. Try to suck up to the Muslim Majority.
    But to:
    c. Keep control of your own army, security forces and demographic majority as the ultimate gurantee and deterence against the neighbors. Doesn't mean we can't negotiate a formal agreement to"end" the conflict... Just that we shouldn't be confused about what that agreement will be worth if those components dissapear.
    >
    You have a better suggestion?

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  • 23

    yboxman,

    In an ideal world, there should be one united country of Israel-Palestine. Palestinians should be able to move into any city of their birth or their ancestral home, and Jews should be able to move and live in their ancient biblical cities. There should not be a wall, but it should be a place where Jews, Christians and Muslims should live side by side in peace. All religions should be respected and protected by the law.

    Do I think this could happen anytime soon? Not a chance, but it does not hurt to dream. . . . . . . . .

    In reality, peace, as complicated as the details are, on the basics can be made rather simple.

    First, Israel was freeze all expansion of settlements and all new settlements built after 2000 should be torn down.

    Second, agree on borders. Start with the 1967 borders, for every inch that Israel gets to keep due to settlements, it will exchange the same amount of land from Israel proper and give to a new Palestinian state contiguous with the West Bank. An equal swap.

    East Jerusalem shall become the capital of the new Palestinian state. However, the city shall remain united, only "divided" in the same way New York City is divided into borroughs. It shall have one municipal government and provide enough veto power so one side can not dominate the other.

    Right of Return - this is the tricky issue. We can finesse this. "Right of Return" will mean that the Palestinian diaspora shall be allowed to return to the new Palestinian state, but not to Israel proper. The only ones who would have the option of returning to Israel proper, would be those who could prove their birth in a town or village that is now in Israel proper. That would be only those who were born before May 15, 1948. Anyone born after that date would not be allowed to return to Israel proper. Israel would compensate the Palestinians for any land taken since that date (the U.S. could provide the actual funds). Those who returned to Israel would be offered Israeli citizenship. Just remember, in a recent poll, only 10% of Palestinians would return to Israel proper and only 10% of them would accept Israeli citizenship. So we are talking about 1% of the Palestinians. And when you limit it to those born before May 15, 1948, that is a number Israel should be able to absorb.

    Israeli troops would be replaced by peacekeepers from Egypt and Turkey. The Palestinian Authority would negotiate a security agreement with Israel which would give both sides security.

    Of course, the devil is in the details, and it would require much work and compromise on both sides. Israel could share its technical expertise with the Palestinians and work on economic development (this is the one good idea from Bibi) after all, a secure Palestinian is likely to be a happy Palestinian and can spend much more productive time raising a family and not hating Israel.

  • 24

    fhmadvocat ,
    "In an ideal world, there should be one united country of Israel-Palestine. Palestinians should be able to move into any city of their birth or their ancestral home, and Jews should be able to move and live in their ancient biblical cities."
    >
    Well, in the real world minorities without protection get eaten alive in the Middle East. So I'll keep my particularist state.
    >
    Let's start with the biggest problem: the wrong of return. While I don't think te Palestinians ave any "Right" of returning given the circumstances of their flight (losing a genocidal war they started) and the symetrical population exchange that took place after the war with Arab Jews (including the grandparents of yours truely), your Idea of limiting it's application to those Palestinians actualy born in Our portion of mandatory Palestine before 1948 seems to sidestep the practical problems (shifting of demographic balace).
    >
    Only two probelms. First if that this was already offered (by that damn fool Yossi Beilin) and rejected by the Palestinians in Taba 2000. So it's amoot point. Second is that if it WERE accepted it's practical application would be problematic. Do you realy think a bunch of 60+ Palestinians will want to move to Israel and live there ALONE? They will insist, and reasonably so, to bring their spouses. Then they will want their children to visit. Then they will want their children to stay and support them. Then THEIR children will want THEIR children to stay. I remeber reading an analysis of your migration issues Vs Mexico and it showed that on the average every "Legalized" immigrant brougt along 8 dpendent andfamily members within 5 years (and those family members did the same once they became naturalized). The economic gap between Israel and it's neighbors is much larger than between you and Mexico.Do the math.
    >
    We just need to look at the number of illegal work migrants who tried to move into Israel from Jordan after the peace treaty (or te West Bank Palestinians who did the same during 1967-1987) to know that the 10% figure does not hold water. Nationalism aside people move to the area of greatest economic opportunity. Giving them a legalk loophole to enter just means greater friction later when we expel them (Time middle East Blog: Palestinian Grandmother weeps as The Israelis brutally arrest and deport visiting grandson).
    >
    As to Jerusalem I just don't see it in our best interest to pay the taxes for the services gien to the Palestinian population. Or to have our population deal with unending economic crime by the poorer Palestiians. Best to split the cty on Ethnic lines (doable) and just keep certain common services (water, electricity) in common.
    >
    The Border swap you describe was already offered by Olmert (and earlier in Taba). It was rejected. I am uncertain of it's wisdom or "justice" but I would swallow it if accompanied by a renouncment of he wrong of return.
    >
    The settlements: No new settlemets HAVE been built since 2000. Some "outposts" housing fewer than 3000 Settlers have been built on the outskirts of existing settlements. The IDF and the settlers play regular hide and seek in dismantaling and rebuilding them.
    >
    My opinion: In a truely just agreement Israeli Jews would have the same rights in the Palestinian state as Israeli Arabs in the the Jewish state. Since the Palestinian state is unwilling to providethem those rights it sems to me that those close enough to the green line should be annexed to Israel (thse that aren't, 60,000 out of 250,000 should be evacuated). I see no justice in granting the Palestinians "recompensation" with empty territory but they can have Israeli Arab communities (About 250,000 people) sitting right on our side of the line.
    >
    That said politics is the art of the possible. The border arrangement you describe is acceptable provided the right of return is limited to the Palestinian state. Unfortunately the Palestinians reject this so...

  • 25

    yboxman,
    You posting is a clear example why the U.S. has to step in. You make the argument of a "victim" and as long as both sides see themselves as "victims", there will be endless war.

    You can compare the "exchange" of Arab Jews from other countries. In the first place, Askenazi Jews wanted Shepardic Jews to move to the new state of Israel for demographic purposes. No one wanted the Palestinians, and they still suffer discrimination in the many Arab countries they live in. So that is a non-starter.

    I did like your second argument, because it recognizes that Palestinians provide cheap labor to Israel. Of course, you get illegal immigration from Arab countries, and it takes Israeli businessmen to support this. Palestinians are to you what Mexicans is to us. Of course, the Mexicans stopped shooting at us a long time ago.

    Furthermore, I did like your idea that Jews should be able to live in the Palestinian state under the same conditions as Israeli Arabs live in Israel. That may have been possible back before 1948. Unfortuately, Palestinians view Jews the same way, Russians viewed Germans right after World War II.

    I have to disagree which your characterization that much was offered before. The Taba offer in December 2000 was too little, too late. It was offered by Barack to secure his re-election. What happened was the treatment of Israeli Arabs during the intifada drove them from supporting Labor. The timing of the offer "taught" Arafat that he could get more with violence, since what was offered before the intifada started was a sham. Now that there was an intifada, Barack finally made a genuine offer instead of negotiating terms of surrender.

    The problem is that Israel has no incentive to negotiate. It holds the cards. It can take more Palestinian land with impunity because it has the backing of the only real superpower. Abbas is weak and Hamas is isolated, other than Hizbollah and Iran. Why should Israel want to give up anything?

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