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The Spiders of Allah Strike Again

How do you end a conflict when everybody fighting thinks that God is on his side? It's impossible, especially when the line between faith and superstition wobbles and breaks apart. Shortly before I came to Jerusalem, Israel's seemingly indestructible Prime Minister Ariel Sharon fell into a coma. Many Israelis are convinced that Sharon was struck down because rabbis put a curse on him for pulling out of Gaza.  That was three years ago, and Sharon –-lying in a hospital bed, half-man, half-machine-- still languishes in a coma.

Want more proof of divine intervention?  During the Gaza war, Israeli newspapers solemnly reported that Rachel from the Bible appeared to warn a platoon of soldiers to stay away from a booby-tapped house.

I cite two Jewish examples. But there are plenty among Muslims and Christians, too. Take the Spiders of Allah. James Hider, the Middle East correspondent for the London Times and a self-confessed arachnophobe, was covering the U.S. Marines' campaign in Fallujah where he heard reports that the city's preachers would boost the Islamic  fighters' morale with tales that Allah had sent in legions of  “chair-sized arachnids, whose poisoned hairs could make a human body turn blue and explode in a shower of corrupted blood.” Oh, and the spiders also scream along at 40 kms an hour.
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Hider is more afraid of spiders than of God's wrath. (He's an atheist and says he has seen nothing while reporting various Middle Eastern wars to convince him otherwise). He's also just written a book “The Spiders of Allah: Travels of an Unbeliever on the Frontlines of Holy War” (published in the U.K. by Doubleday and in the U.S. in June by St. Martin's Press), which challenges that famous WWII phrase “there are no atheists in foxholes.” Everything Hider sees in Iraq, Gaza, and the West Bank makes him question the madness of men killing, and dying, for their gods. “It is when the mild opiate of mainstream religion is distilled into the crack cocaine of fanatical fundamentalism that the problems really start,” he writes.

‘Spiders' is, by turns, hilarious sardonic, and visceral. It's a first-class war memoir, with a bow to Vonnegut and Brecht. Lately, a rash of journalists' Iraq war diaries have appeared, but Hider spares us the swagger and chest-thumping. Thankfully, he doesn't brag about his reportorial heroics; in fact, he makes light of the danger he faces. At Fallujah, he takes a piece of shrapnel through the arm. The medic who pulls out the metal chunk gives it to Hider in a zip-lock baggie as a souvenir. Hider takes it back to the Baghdad bureau and forgets about it. Coming back from a vacation, Hider finds a note from his replacement correspondent who had “mistaken the shrapnel for a lump of hash and burned his fingers trying to smoke it. By my bed was a handwritten note.

“'Dope here is crap. No wonder everyone here is so f____king tense.'”

Hashish is nothing, as Hider writes, compared to the nihilistic buzz of fanaticism. In this age of Internet-sped fatwas, Kabalistic curses and Christian outrage, it's a relief to find a writer like Hider who doesn't pussyfoot around the murderous sensibilities of zealots.

By Tim McGirk/Jerusalem

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    Good to know all that Tim and i offer some righteous Christian outrage.
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    The Martyrdom of Vanunu: Machiavelli and Peres
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    The best understanding of a martyr is one who chooses to suffer, to die rather than renounce their principles. A martyr is also one who has given themselves up as a witness.
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    The essence of Christianity is to bear witness to what Jesus was always on about; forgiveness, love, reconciliation and the intrinsic equality of all people.
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    Within days of the announcement of a record 205 nominations for 2009's Nobel Peace Prize, [one of several prizes endowed by Swedish industrialist and dynamite inventor Alfred Nobel] perpetual nominee Mordechai Vanunu declined the honor in a letter to the Nobel Peace Prize Committee in Oslo:
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    "I am asking the committee to remove my name from the nominations…I cannot be part of a list of laureates that includes Simon Peres…Peres established and developed the atomic weapon program in Dimona in Israel…Peres was the man who ordered [my] kidnapping…he continues to oppose my freedom and release…WHAT I WANT IS FREEDOM AND ONLY FREEDOM….FREEDOM AND ONLY FREEDOM I NEED NOW.-VMJC"
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    VMJC is for Vanunu Mordechai J.C.
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    The following is but an excerpt from an email VMJC: Mordechai Vanunu John Crossman, wrote on March 20, 2009:
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    VANUNU MARTYR:
    DESTROYING HUGE SPY GAME
    NOBEL LETTER
    BOMBS BY LETTERS
    BOMBS BY WORDS
    FREEDOM OF SPEECH
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    Since his release from jail April 21, 2004, Mordecahi Vanunu has been denied the RIGHT to leave Israel and denied the RIGHT to speak to non-Israelis.
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    States and Nations have obligations. People have RIGHTS.
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    The UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights is binding on "all countries of the world". The statehood of Israel was contingent upon upholding it.
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    EQUAL human rights are declared as UNDERSTOOD at the outset of the document as "inalienable" and therefore can not be denied by any government.
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    "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."-Article 13:2
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    "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." -Article 19.
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    Eileen Fleming, Founder WAWA:
    http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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    Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
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    Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" and both were taped AFTER Vanunu's Freedom of Speech Trial began because the MSM has been MIA all during a FREEDOM OF SPEECH Trial in Israel.

    Peres and Machiavelli

    In 1963, when Vanunu was nine years old the Zionists came to his home town of Marrakech, Morocco and convinced his Orthodox father to abandon his general store and pack up the first seven of his eleven children for the land of milk and honey. Instead, the Vanunu's were banished to the desert of Beesheva.

    A few months later, Shimon Peres, then Israel's Deputy Minister of Defense met with President John Kennedy, inside the White House.

    Kennedy told Peres, "You know that we follow very closely the discovery of any nuclear development in the region. This could create a very dangerous situation. For this reason we monitor your nuclear effort. What could you tell me about this?"

    Peres replied, "I can tell you most clearly that we will not introduce nuclear weapons to the region, and certainly we will not be the first."

    By September of 1986, Peres was convulsing over Vanunu, who had been employed as a lowly tech in his progeny; Israel's clandestine underground nuclear weapons centre in the Negev called the Dimona.

    Peres ordered the Mossad, to "Bring the son of a bitch back here."

    Peres ordered Vanunu's kidnapping that included a clubbing, drugging and being flung upon an Israeli cargo boat back to Israel for a closed door trial.

    In 1985, before quitting the Dimona, Vanunu shot 56 photos of the top-secret labs and production processes that proved Israel had become a major nuclear power by stockpiling between 100 and 200 atomic bombs within the six underground levels where plutonium production, and secret nuclear weapons were assembled without any knowledge, debate or authorization from its own citizens. Israel has yet to allow International Inspectors into the aged Dimona plant which is leaking and endangering the health of its own citizens.

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    Dear Tim,

    Every Sunday, you and anybody else in east Jerusalem can talk with VMJC at the Lutheran church in the Old City where Reverend Mark Holman, from USA is pastor.
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    Anybody can phone and email VMJC as all his contact info is posted on his website:
    http://vanunu.com/
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    LOL! The powers that be posted my follow up invitation to Tim while my first comment remains "awaiting moderation."
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    VMJC stands for Vanunu Mordecahi John Crossman-a Christian captive in occupied east Jerusalem..
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    I cut and pasted my first comment and if it does not show up here, I will post it on WAWA March 29,2009.
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    Eileen Fleming, Founder WAWA:
    http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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    Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
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    Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" and both were taped AFTER Vanunu's Freedom of Speech Trial began because the MSM has been MIA all during a FREEDOM OF SPEECH Trial in Israel.

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    [...] The Spiders of Allah Strike Again Posted on March 28, 2009 by theolounge How do you end a conflict when everybody fighting thinks that God is on his side? It’s impossible, especially when the line between faith and superstition wobbles and breaks apart. Shortly before I came to Jerusalem, Israel’s seemingly indestructible Prime Minister Ariel Sharon fell into a coma. Many Israelis are convinced that Sharon was struck down because rabbis put a curse on him for pulling out of Gaza.  That was three years ago, and Sharon –-lying in a hospital bed, half-man, half-machine– still languishes in a coma. > more. [...]

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    Let's see the best human rights record which completely outstood China's, of course those in Tibet!!!
    US enjoys a really good record of human rights, doesn't it? Let's see: Abu Ghraib Prison, 200 thousand massacred Iraqis, supporting Israeli troops slaughtering Palenstanines, raping Japanese girls freely, using chemical and depleted-uranium weapons towards civilians in Yugoslavia, the Agent Orange or dioxins used unbridledly in Vietnam leaving the coming babies deformed, special treatment for the prisoners in Guantanamo, the biggest prison system and the most prisoners in the world, the biggest polluter in the world,fed Katrina with the lives of people in New Orlean, it's too hard to list at least 1% of them, isn't it? I even don't know if I need to mention something "pre-history"? about the massacred native Americans? slavery of the black? Ironically, the history of America is just a history of bloodshed and numberless violations against human rights.Was it that Stature of Liberty arrogantly set up in New York to honour such a glorious record of America?
    Brazenly enough, such a nation indulging in bloodlust and manslaughter loves picking up the faults of other countries!!!
    Dialectically, the tags of "terrorists" can be tagged to anyone who threatens the national security of USA, the tags of " evil members of the axis of evil" can be tagged to any nation which threatens the ruling power of USA in the world. That's to say,conspicuously and ironically, sometimes the two words "terrorist" and "axis of evil", to a certain extent, means "the arrogant dissidents against USA". Of course, I don't mean I support terrorism. I hate al-Qaeda as sharply as how US people did: any attack actions targeted at innocent people are of course terroristic. But what I have to indicate is that wars striking terrorism may be used as the cover to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries and even the excuse to invade some countries by the Bush (almost Nazi-styled)administration. This is too contemptible!!! In order to get the excuses to launch the Iraq War, the Defence Department even sent so-called military experts to some TV stations to transmit the false message so the people can be tricked in to believing what the US forces did was necessary even massacring. US forces have massacred about at least 200 thousand Iraqis in direct ways or indirect ways. I almost feel extremely disgusted at the pictures and videos of the atrocious bloodshed in Iraq replaying in TV everyday. I want to know who can protect their human rights? I think to live is the most basic human right which should be given to everyone in the world, but I don't know why the most cruel and evil butcher having a gory hand in hundreds of thousands of deaths of innocent people and the abyssal misery of them are so brazen to criticize the human rights of other countries? Do you Americans know what the hell the shame is? Anyone who seems like a terrorist must be eliminated ruthlessly, no matter, in fact, who it is, a child or a pregnant woman? As long as weak enough, any nation which dissents from the hegemony of US must be the country supporting terrorism or planning to destroy the world so it can live alone in the world? US is so used to bullying the weak but being scared of the tough. Who is tougher than US and who can determine the fate of US will be treated to the hip-kissing no matter what things it did. Why US has never tried to eastablish so-called democracy in Saudi Arabia and criticize the human rights record of it? US is too hypocritical! US criticises the human rights conditions of some nations not in order to improve the human rights there but just uses this method to intimidate and scare so it will help the foreign policies of US to make itself stand highly in morality. Why did US launched the evil war towards Iraq? Because of nuclear or biochemical bombs there? To eliminate the dictatorship and give the Iraqi people democracy? To strike terrorism? Or just for oil? Ironically, what the counter-terrorists did was more terrific than terrorists'. They attacks and kidnaps, but this is completely nothing compared to what US did in Iraq. US likes to massacre them! Maybe this is more efficient to intimidate the other countries supporting terrorism into "counter-"TERRORISM of US. Bin Laden is of course a evil terrorist, and al-Qaeda is of course an organization of terrorism. But there is no difference between Bush Administration or US government and al-Qaeda, Iran, North Korea at all!!! It's all the same!!! Maybe trying to expiate the sins of Americans can be too hard or even impossible, but trying to stop the buzzing gibberish about other countries may improve a little on the image of US. US is hating by more and more people in the world, if US were hated by anyone outside US in the world, the doomsday of it will come!
    Finally, I feel so sympathetic with those poor brainwahsed animials under such a brazen and capitalistic dictatorship. You all need revolution!!!
    PS: It will be a real honour for me to be a Communist and called a Communist. But unfortunately, I am not qualified enough to become a Communist for the time being because I'm just a high school student. If someone calls me a Communist, I will be very happy!

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    You give me hope aronlee.
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    This middle aged American dissident Christian-commie has been calling for a revolution of Common Sense!
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    "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights...to secure these rights, governments are instituted...from the consent of the governed; and, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it." -July 4, 1776. The Declaration of Independence

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    "Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."-Tom Paine

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    "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends...I believe that as soon as people want peace in the world they can have it. The only trouble is they are not aware they can get it."-John Lennon
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    http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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    [...] website, with Ms. Lawlor’s artwork prominently displayed! Click here to read the review: TIME MAGAZINE REVIEW.   The U.S. edition of the book, a first-hand account of journalist James Hider’s [...]

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    [...] I recently had the opportunity to illustrate the cover of Spiders of Allah, by journalist James Hider. The book is a first hand account of his experiences as a journalist in the Middle East. What a great book - satiric, sad, ironic, and all too honest. I learned many things by reading this book, not only about the Middle East but about the United States as well. I recommend it highly. The US edition will be released by St. Martin’s Press on June 23. You can pre-order it from Amazon.com  HERE. Spiders of Allah is Mr. Hider’s first book - congratulations! You can read the book review in Time magazine HERE. [...]

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    aronlee,

    Rejoice. You are a communist and have the mental wherewithal of all the great communists. I suggest you move quickly to Cuba or North Korea to live in a Workers' Paradise. Just so you're prepared, "paradise" apparently includes food shortages, extreme censorhip, and political imprisonment. But it doesn't include hypocrisy or a lack of shame. Enjoy.

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    In Ray Coleman's biography of John Lennon, he quotes the artist circa 1969:
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    "I'd like to be like Christ, [Lennon had described himself as a Christian communist] in a pure sense, not in the way Russia or Italy think of Christianity or communism.
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    "Every body's uptight [fearful] and they're always building these walls around themselves. All you can do is try to break down the walls and show them that there's nothing there but people.
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    "I only know that peace can exist, and the first thing is for the world to disarm.
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    "I think I'll win because I believe in what Jesus said."
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    Excerpted from "LENNON" McGraw-Hill, 1984. pgs -374-381. The rest of article published WAWA: http://www.wearewideawake.org

    September 7, 2006: Lennon, Vanunu and "Give Me Some Truth"

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    There are great consequences to furthering the misinterpretation of extremist groups' fundamental ideologies. By mislabeling a group's true intentions, one also shelves any access to diminishing power from the group, which is defined from and based wholly on the group's ideologically driven intentions. Sensationalist headlines like "Osama Bin Laden Promises 7 Virgins in Heaven" and "Al-Qaeda Hates American Freedoms" diverts the majority of the people (those who care less about politics and more about the latest episode of LOST) from understanding how to properly deal with an ideological/extremist threat. Like all propaganda, this particular brand of information manipulation serves to hide inconvenient truths from the people. For instance, why particular Muslims in the Middle East are hostile towards the US and its policies, specifically in the Middle East.

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    Does anyone really think that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is RELIGIOUS?!
    It started of as nationalistic, a fight between two ethnic groups, but it's not even that now. It's Irani-paid mercenaries like Hamas and Hizballah using the suffering and despair they themselves brought on the poor Palestinians, to kill innocent Israeli civilians (first buses going kaboom, now the IDF Intelligence and police and the wall have stopped the suicide bombers, turning Hamas to rockets), incur the wrath of a powerful nation that doesn't want wars (but won't hesitate to defend it's citizens), and thus increasing the aforesaid suffering and despair. It's a vicious cycle that can only break when Hamas are gone and a two-state solution is negotiated for real by leaders that have the support of their respective populations.

    For now we must do our best to ease the pain of living under a terrorist organization that drags you into meaningless wars of destruction. Blaming Israel, for that matter, is deceitful, ignorant, and hypocritical. Convert your antisemitism and anti-Zionism into honest care for the Palestinians, otherwise you're just making things worse.

    Benyamin (Beny) Dekel, Merkaz Peres leShalom (Peres Center for Peace)

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    RE: my first comment it still reads:
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    1. eileenfleming Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    Saturday, March 28, 2009 at 8:38 am
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    I have moved beyond it on my site:
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    March 31, 2009: Brenda Starr+Dorothy Day=Citizen Journalist
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    In June 2005, during my first of six trips to occupied Palestine, Mordechai Vanunu explained it most succiently:
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    "The time has come for the United States to see the truth of Zionism. It began as a secular nationalist movement, not a religious one. Then some Christians believed that when Israel became a nation, it was the beginning of the second coming.
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    "They are deluded if they believe peace will come through atomic weapons. Atomic weapons are holocaust weapons. Christians should be the first people against them. The Christians in America should be helping the Christians here. America needs to wake up to this fallacy that Jesus will come back by nuclear war. America needs to wake up to the fact that the Palestinian Christians here have no human rights.
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    "Aren't Christians supposed to be concerned about other Christians?
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    " Aren't Christians supposed to be concerned about all the poor and oppressed?”
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    Eileen Fleming, Author, Founder:
    http://www.wearewideawake.org/
    Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu"

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    Beny,
    It is true that one cannot blame Israel for the ongoing violence, but your attempt to paint Israel as the victim in the debacle holds no weight either. You wrote "that [Israel] doesn't want wars (but won't hesitate to defend it's citizens)". Was this true when Israel, several months prior to the Gaza war, was training the IDF on a smaller model of Gaza city? Was it true when Israel violated the ceasefire, according to actual reality and everyone but Israel and its supporters, between Hamas and Israel and instigated a retaliation? Was it true when Israel made clear its deception in planning the instigation and the subsequent massive strike into Gaza?
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    Let's be realistic here: out of all the countries in the Middle East, only one, during its ENTIRE HISTORY, has used its army for violent means in code with its land-grabbing/colonialist policies, and that country is Israel. Does this mean that Iran should be aiding resistance fighters? No, but many would argue that Israel's policies towards Iran gave Iran no choice but to put pressure on Israel, benefiting from the PR of taking on an occupying force through proxies amongst Arabs in the meantime.
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    If Israel is considered about its safety and citizens, then perhaps Israel should look to making friends and allies in the region that don't require their coffers to periodically filled for loyalty. A respectable step towards this would be to dismantle the hostile apparatus Israel has built for itself using its right arm of Mossad, who assassinates, terrorizes, impersonates to create ficticious reasons for war, and spies on even friendly countries, or its left arm of the IDF, which by its own soldiers' allegations indiscriminately kills civilians in an uber-genocidal fashion.

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    correction: "true that one cannot blame ONLY Israel for the ongoing violence"...

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    Wow Nick,
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    How quickly the 1948 invasion of Israel by Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon gets forgotten.
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    So too the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
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    I guess we'll have to pass on the Egyptian armies fighting in Yemen.
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    So too Morocco's invasion of the Western Sahara.
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    So too Syria's invasion into Lebanon. Of course the fact that the Lebanese fought a civil war over several decades with each ethnic group trying to oust its literal neighbor seems to have escaped him as well.
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    Now given that the PLO was never a state, I'm not sure if you can count the attempted coup in Jordan that led to the 1970 Black September fighting or the PLO's subsequent takeover of southern Lebanon (Fatahland).
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    Then again, the Hashemites were handed Jordan by the British after they came out on the short end of the conflict with the Saud's for the Arabian penninsula.
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    As well, Libya's fighting with its southern neighbors could be considered attempts to expand its territory.
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    Meanwhile, Sudan's main fighting has taken place within its own boundaries, but given its attempt to cleanse the native populations could reasonably fall in Nick's theory.
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    As for Nick's rationalization that Israel's policies towards the Islamic Republic, its just more table pounding given the fact that before Ayatollah Khomenei came to power Israel actually held a friendly relationship with Iran.

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    I am curious as to why you ignored my statement that Israel is alone as an aggressive occupying entity for the ENTIRE DURATION of its history. None of the countries you mentioned have only 60 years of history filled entirely with violence and blood spilling in the name of colonialization and ethnic cleansing. Israel does.

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    Ah ha, 60 years of occupation.
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    Based on that Nick, according to you, Israel shouldn't even exist...kind of along the lines of what the dinner jacket has been blathering about.
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    It's amusing how you try to compartmentalize acceptable and unacceptable violence. Apparently Sudan's slaughter over the past few decades doesn't measure up because its not part of an 'aggressive occupation'. I see how you split your hairs, or heads is perhaps the proper term.
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    And actually based on the actual 'results' if it may be said that way, Israel should have been more violent in its dealings with the Palestinians, which just might have ended the problem sooner, thus freeing itself from your condemntation of length of combat rather than severity.

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    persianadvocate,
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    If you have ever looked at a map of the Middle East, you will notice that Israel is a tiny state surrounded by thousands and thousands of miles of countries that have all been hostile to it at one point or another in its history. If at any point Israel refused to fight, its citizens would have been massacred long ago and people like you would not have blinked.
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    While you continuously denounce Israel for its barbarism, it may be worthwhile to point out that Israel dwarfs its neighbors in nearly every statistical measure of technological development and education, implying to me that it chooses to invest its resources in positive, growth related activities. If Iran had invested in building legitimate technical schools in Gaza as opposed to madrassas that promote violence and extremism, dont you think the Palestinians may be better off?

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    Persian Advocate,

    Indeed, there is no other country that had to survive numerous attemts to wipe it out by all its neighbors, yet nevertheless signed countless peace treaties, including, like the Oslo pact, those that were violated by it's enemies not long after signed (Arafat got everything he wanted, and still Israeli coffee shops were blasted apart by his "freedom fighters").

    1973. Saddat raged through the country, killing 3000 Israelis, in a war he declared on our holiest day. We won. Barely, but won. And we forgave. Not only we forgave, we gave away two-thirds of our land for lasting peace and normal relations. No other victor ever did that. That's how badly we want peace.

    There is no other country, among those mentioned by Jacob, that is a true standing democracy, in government and values and not just in name (like the Republic of Egypt where the same president sits for decades).

    Oh, and I see you haven't replied to Jacob, just repeated your stupid mantra.

    But you know what? Seeing how I'm new here, I'll answer your accusations, even though my answers will do little.

    "Was it true when Israel violated the ceasefire,"

    NO IT IS NOT TRUE. 3 days after the cease-fire, rockets hit Sderot again. They did so for about a month until Israel's first reaction. Hamas first tried to hide these crimes behind fictitious groups like the "Badr Forces" (which are now publicly known as just another division in the alQassam Brigades), then dropped the act and openly accepted responsibility, but it does not change the fact that these terrorists cannot help themselves from shooting rockets (hard habit to drop, apparently) even in a cease-fire.

    "training the IDF on a smaller model of Gaza city". Actually, urban fighting training facilities exist since the 80s, about when terrorists started hiding in apartments and behind kids.

    You complain about the Mossad and IDF (I'd add the SBK, too)? First remove the terrorists that threat us, and then we'll let up the shields that protect us from the terrorists.

    If the Palestinians are concerned about their safety and nationalistic aspirations- a state of their own, then perhaps they should look to making friends with the only nation that can give that state to them, and is willing to give it to them, despite how hard they work on destroying it.
    60 years of blowing up in buses and shooting rockets have achieved absolutely nothing. Less than nothing, it is destroying everything achieved by the smart terrorists, those that bothered to put on at least a facade of peace. Isn't it time to change tactics?

    Unfortunately, as long as Gaza is controlled by Irani-paid mercenaries...

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    I highly suggest for the readers to read my other comments above for context.
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    To the Blues Guy: I have never commented on any Sudan situation. You continue to assume you understand me, Jacob. Just take what I write and use that exclusively, for future reference.
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    To Otrain: You are seriously diverting from facts and follying on some assumptions. Iran has no duty to invest in resources that Israel, as aggressive and belicose state policy, chooses to destroy periodically in savage manner. Did you forget that Israel attacked more than 10 pre-designated UN buildings filled with civilians and without ANY warning to UN officials? All it took was one phone call. Further, Iran has provided substantive assistance, far outweighing that of any other country, to the Palestinians as far as aid goes.
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    Israel's development is a direct result of US and Western aid. Iran, without any of that aid for the last three decades, is not dwarfed by Israel, but in fact, superior to Israel in many aspects you have mentioned.
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    Like many other Americans, I would rather feed my taxpayer dollars to AIG fat-cats than to the Israeli government so that it can murder 200+ Palestinian babies like it did in the beginning of this year.

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    Beny,
    I admire your unhindered love for Israel, but I find it to be highly flawed. For instance, you write "there is no other country, among those mentioned by Jacob, that is a true standing democracy, in government and values and not just in name (like the Republic of Egypt where the same president sits for decades)", which basically implies that Israel is a true Democracy.
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    But when Arab-Israelis are not afforded the same rights and privileges as those of their Jewish countrymen, and continue to face politics calling for their expulsion from their homeland lest they sign papers of loyalty to a religion other than their own, then the whole "Israel is a true Democracy" farce falls apart.
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    Like many other Zionist claims, when this sort of fiction sees daylight it quickly disintegrates into nothing more than what it is: bull ;)

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    I do not admire your undeserved hate for my country, yet I care little for what you think of it, having seen much worse.

    Unlike you, I converse with Israeli Arabs. There is a clear division into two groups:

    A) The sane guys. A majority, actually. Mostly secular. Those that don't use every possible stage to call for our destruction. Those that actually bothered to integrate into our society, and are now enjoying every possible right a society can give its citizens. Added to all the privileges everyone enjoys, they are also exempt from military service. As such, they are educated, live well, hold key positions... We have many Arab scientists, doctors, lawyers...They are very productive members of our society, and are absolutely no different than me, except for they Arabic they speak at home instead of my Hebrew.

    B) The insane guys. Mostly religious, they are caught up in a fanatic dream of seeing Israel in ruins, and work tirelessly towards it. From shouting accross the Knesset (yes! Whereas in Europe such traitors would be expelled, here they get seats in the parliament) of the illegality of the state they are citizens of, to collaborating with terrorists and sometimes executing attacks on their own, by Hamas instructions (like the bulldozer attacks). They do not recognize government officials, (even as far as lynching policemen that came to investigate a murder in Jerusalem), so why should our government recognize them?

    As for the "Loyalty Law", you have clearly got it all wrong, like I more or less expected. I do not support it, fearing it might well incite a third Intifada (I still have a scar from the second). Nevertheless, your attack needs to be cleared up.

    1) It is not loyalty to Judaism (unlike Islam, we have no wish to force our religion on others. Judaism is very closed and it's hard to convert to it even if you want to. Besides, Lieberman, who proposed this law, is by no means religious), but loyalty to Israel that is in question. You want to be a citizen here? Please stop calling for our destruction.

    2) It is not a law. Not even in parliamentary stages. So far, it is little more than an election campaign motto. And it will probably stay this way and thankfully not evolve into a law.

    3) Variations of this law exist in US and a number of European countries. Yet everyone attacks us. Hypocrisy at its worst.

    There, that is cleared up, I hope. Let's go on.

    "Iran, without any of that aid for the last three decades, is not dwarfed by Israel, but in fact, superior to Israel in many aspects you have mentioned."

    a) Iran had sh*tloads of aid from the US and even Israel in its previous regime, a pragmatic friendly government that understood the benefits of having Israel as a friend. Then came an insane religious leader, overthrew the aforesaid government, turned Iran into a fundamentalist society, and kept on throwing the country head-on against the rest of the world. Its successors are now operating several terrorist organizations and are openly working towards annihilation of another state. Do you expect aid like this?

    b) "Superior to Israel"?
    Israel keeps up the most scientific research, in respects of advancement, teaching and science papers, in the area (that includes Iran). A lot of that from the Weizmann Institute, and some of that from my mother. So I know what I'm talking about. The most research per capita in the world, by the way.
    Of the technological and medical innovations coming from west Asia over the past 40 years, Israel is responsible for 70% of them. From the USB and some laptop processors (Intel branch in Haifa) to little blood vessel skeletons that stop heart attacks and lots in between. Please tell me how is Iran superior.

    Okay, I'll leave you to digest all of this. I'll be back to work. "Pesah" apparently does not mean "holiday" for some people.

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    Beny,
    It's difficult to answer, in a qualitative manner, how Iran is superior to Israel. Sure, Israel is better at some things, while Iran is better at others. But if you look at the over picture, here is what you see:
    Iran - Population: 70+ Million (70% are young); Land Size: Equal to UK, Spain, Germany and France combined; 14th biggest economy in the world (not tied to the global crisis); 2nd largest oil reserves in the world; located in prime geography (has mountainous, snowy regions; beautiful beaches; jungles; forests; grassy plains; urban areas); very educated population; many technological advancements in nano-technology, UAVs, medicine, amongst others.
    Israel - Population: if you don't count the ones they are currently subjecting to slaughter and starvation - 5 million; Land Size: Maybe bigger than New Jersey; 52nd biggest economy in the world despite no-strings-attached aid from the US in excess of 3 billion per year and unlimited ancillary aid (currently experiencing a major crisis); located in mostly desert in an area where all neighbors except the ones currently being bribed want its destruction; no oil; not nearly as geo-politically valuable as an ally as Iran would be; highest # of research papers in the Middle East (Iran is 2nd).
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    The heart of my point is this: how would Israel have fared without any US help over the last 30 years? If you say as well as now or even close to as well as Iran is doing, then you lose all credibility. With Netanyahu giving ultimatums to the US President, I think we are nearing a time when Israel becomes a non-actor in the regional politics. Israel can be a valuable asset to the Middle East in the Middle East, and not to America in the Middle East. But the politics are not going that way. I believe Israel to be like a car skidding on ice. They continue to push policies that dictate the car turn against the momentum. What really needs to happen is that Israel needs to tap the brakes lightly and turn into the momentum. If Israel has to cause world chaos to remain number one, it is on a one way ticket to becoming the sole pariah in a few years.

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    Oh, and I'm well aware that Israel's population is overwhelmingly secular, that Israel names streets after poets, that the population is generally democracy loving, enjoys their culture and that the youth do not want war. Israel, in actuality, is very much like Iran. Iran has a mostly secular-Muslim population, the majority of which are the youth who love American culture (music, movies, clothes, food) and dream of when the Mullahs will bugger off, names streets after poets (they used to at least until the extremists took over) and enjoys its culture greatly.
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    I see both the governments of Israel and Iran doing a great disservice to its people. Both are trying to gain or retain power in the region while the people within their borders do the opposite of benefit from these actions.
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    As for Arab-Israelis, sure they have seats in the Knesset, but they do not enjoy governance powers as the Jews do. They are not equal in many respects, not on paper and not in actuality. Even in Iran, the Jewish member of the Parliament is afforded an effective vote. But not in "democratic" Israel.

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