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Obama Mideast Watch: The al-Arabiya Interview

President Obama is continuing what has become a dizzying reach-out to the Muslim world and the Middle East. Having used his inaugural speech to promise Muslims a “new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect,” he gave his first television interview as president—on only his sixth full day in office—to an Arab channel, the Saudi-backed, Dubai-based al-Arabiya. The interview follows the appointment of an Arab-American, former Sen. George Mitchell, as the Obama administration's Middle East envoy.
It's important for Americans as well as the people of the Middle East to understand how very significant Obama's early moves are. He's now made it clear that he has every intention of taking a new approach to the region. Here's what we learned in the al-Arabiya interview, conducted by veteran journalist, Washington Bureau Chief Hisham Melhem:
Obama is critical of past U.S. Middle East policy, including insensitivity to the perspectives of the people in the region.
All too often the United States starts by dictating -- in the past on some of these issues -- and we don't always know all the factors that are involved. So let's listen….
What we want to do is to listen, set aside some of the preconceptions that have existed and have built up over the last several years. And I think if we do that, then there's a possibility at least of achieving some breakthroughs…
We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect. But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore that. And that I think is going to be an important task.
Obama is not kidding when he says he intends to plunge into peacemaking immediately.
We cannot tell either the Israelis or the Palestinians what's best for them. They're going to have to make some decisions. But I do believe that the moment is ripe for both sides to realize that the path that they are on is one that is not going to result in prosperity and security for their people. And that instead, it's time to return to the negotiating table.
People are going to judge me not by my words but by my actions and my administration's actions.
We're not going to wait until the end of my administration to deal with Palestinian and Israeli peace, we're going to start now. It may take a long time to do, but we're going to do it now.
Obama seems to see the need to address the legitimate interests of Arabs in the Middle East conflict, but he's going to judge their position based on their actions and not merely their words.
I might not agree with every aspect of the [Arab peace plan sponsored by Saudi Arabian King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz al-Saud in 2002], but it took great courage to put forward something that is as significant as that.
I also believe that there are Israelis who recognize that it is important to achieve peace. They will be willing to make sacrifices if the time is appropriate and if there is serious partnership on the other side.
Obama seems intent on winning over the Arab world, to bolster U.S. credibility in pushing his Middle East policy, by leveraging his personal popularity on the Muslim street based largely on his Muslim roots and underdog image and by effectively campaigning for support among Muslims as he did for American voters. This could have a significant impact on his ability to win backing for compromises from the Arab world needed to achieve peace. The Arab street as well as Arab governments were skeptical even of Bush's better Middle East initiatives simply because they didn't trust him.
My job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world, that the language we use has to be a language of respect. I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries.
My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy.
We're going to follow through on our commitment for me to address the Muslim world from a Muslim capital. We are going to follow through on many of my commitments to do a more effective job of reaching out, listening, as well as speaking to the Muslim world.
To the broader Muslim world what we are going to be offering is a hand of friendship.
As part of his endeavor to show respect, Obama seeks to assure Muslims and educate Americans about the distinction between Muslim extremists and Muslims who disagree with American policy. He's saying that the war on terrorism is not a war on Islam, that not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims.
My job is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives.
What we need to understand is, is that there are extremist organizations -- whether Muslim or any other faith in the past -- that will use faith as a justification for violence. We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith's name…
And so you will I think see our administration be very clear in distinguishing between organizations like al Qaeda -- that espouse violence, espouse terror and act on it -- and people who may disagree with my administration and certain actions, or may have a particular viewpoint in terms of how their countries should develop. We can have legitimate disagreements but still be respectful.
--By Scott MacLeod/Cairo
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Did you know that today one soldier was killed and 3 others were wounded inside Israel from a fire shot from Gaza. I am sure you didn't know since you will not see it in Time nor in CNN or Al-Jezira. I just want to remind you that there is a cease-fire and Hamas broke it.
I would ask Tim McGirk to acknowledge this item.I just can imagine that the Hamas people who shot those soldiers immediately run away to hide behind civilians.
This is only a sample of what happened inside Israel during the last 8 years before the Gaza war. And there is no occupation of Gaza! And Gaza has a border with Egypt! So there cannot be a blockade imposed by Israel on Gaza if Egypt wouldn't want it as well
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"HOPE has two children. The first is ANGER at the way things are. The second is COURAGE to DO SOMETHING about it."-St. Augustine
...Justice for Palestine will reap Security for Israel...
...Justice requires Equal Human Rights for ALL and an END to the Israeli Military Occupation...
...President Obama needs to hear from US that we support Justice and desire a much needed Change of Course from the last 8 years...
YOU can be a part of that change:
http://www.endtheoccupation.org/
Eileen Fleming, Author, Founder WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" -
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[...] These aren’t exactly tough questions. If the President has gone on Al-Jazeera, he would have faced much tougher questions. The TIME blog, however, is more_optimisic. [...]
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Hi, I am coming from Indonesia, the largest country with Moslem population. My people pray for Obama, hope can manage US States with very well.
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[...] you'd like a more balanced account of the Al Arabiya session, try the one by Time's Scott McLeod here. The most important thing about the interview, in my opinion, obviously was the sequencing of [...]
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@ ladak531
there is currently no real ceasefire in Gaza, the Israelis simply stopped shooting and pulled out. nothing has been negotiated -
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Obama is reaching out to the muslim world in a way no other President ever has, or has even been in a position to do. We should give him time to deliver on his promises before critisizing him. I'm not muslim, jewish or christian, but I would love to see some measure of peace come to a region that has been at war for thousands of years. I consider the United States very fortunate to have a President like Barack Obama and we should all give him a chance!
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"People are going to judge me not by my words but by my actions and my administration's actions."
Ahhh, okay, a man who says he'll walk the walk...
"My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy."
*tires screech* Waaait a second, that sure sounds like a bunch of words to me. I think a good start would be to abandon the rhetoric that "Israel's defense is paramount". Clearly, Israel is the agent of spreading hatred towards Americans in the Middle East thanks to downright treacherous actions such as putting 1.5 million people in a concentration camp and then using illegal weapons of mass destruction on them to kill 460+ children, or falsifying propaganda against other regional countries, like Iran. Clearly, the first step has to be a detachment from the Israeli lobby. I'd like to see if this President has the cojones to do just that. What stake does America have in Israel? They neither protect our oil pipelines nor do they give us any considerable advantage over anyone. They couldn't even remove Hamas, a militia without an air force or armaments that would even be considered effective in WWI, from power within a territory they starved for 18 months. The Muslim world sees Israel as a colonial power, one funded, aided and kept out of legal and international trouble by the US, which consistently causes acts of belligerence towards neighboring countries, plunders lands, and kills babies.
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The first step is simple, Barak. Lose the "friend". -
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Not to take any attention away from your blog, Scott, but I think this one by your colleague, Tony Karon, is a must read as well: http://tonykaron.com/2009/01/22/change-gaza-can-believe-in/
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It complements this entry quite well. -
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When I read hateful articles and postings like the one from persianadvocate above, I am reminded why peace in the Middle East is so painfully difficuly to come by. Does he/she even know what a concentration camp is? It is a facility designed and built to systematically kill, run by individuals that would like to eliminate entire races of people based on fundamental aspects of who they are. Hmm... wanting to kill people based on who they are... where have I heard that before... oh yeah, Hamas' charter.
It makes me sick when people compare Gaza to a concentration camp. If Israel truly wanted to kill all Palestinians, they would be dead already. While the carnage in Gaza is gruesome, when you look at the devastation to infrastructure there and consider the comparatively limited loss of life (though all loss of innocent lives is inherently tragic) you cannot claim that Israel intentionally tried to kill babies and retain even the smallest amount of credibility. Furthermore, when Hamas leadership proudly boasts of using women and children as human shields, they cannot subsequently claim outrage at the deaths of those same children while disavowing all responsibility for them.
Two more points:
1- If the military situation were reversed, and Hamas had planes, bombs, tanks, etc., do you honestly believe that there would be any Jews left alive after a three week incursion?
2 - If Israel were publicly claiming that Syria and Lebanon should be wiped off the map, and that every muslim should be killed, the world would brutally criticize it (and righfully so). For come reason, it is widely accepted to make the same comments about Jews and Israel.It is nothing new, just a sad reality.
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One more thing, M(r)s. Fleming. I believe that it is easy to spout intellectually lazy rhetoric about 'the occupation,' but please openly and honestly consider the case study between the situation in Gaza (where not one Israeli citizen remained before the last outbreak of violence) and the West Bank.
In order for there to be change, and ultimately peace, there must be a credible partner to talk to and work with. When Hamas says 'occupation' it is not talking about Gaza and the West Bank, it is talking about the entire state of Israel. What you and other people advocating for the 'end of the occupation' are implicitly stating is that as long as Israel exists, it is fundamentally responsible for the ensuing violence.
How can you seriously expect Israel to relinquish all control over a territory to a group that openly and unabashedly claims it is interested in its destruction and demise? Really? You think that's a good idea? I think Darwin had a theory about people like that, but I am not certain... -
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[...] Scott McLeod is optimistic about the future in his commentary on Obama’s interview. [...]
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Yes, otrain, I do know what a concentration camp is and I see one in Gaza. Livni, Israel's acting PM has said, and I quote, "And among other things I will also be able to approach the Palestinian residents [note: not even citizens of the state they are supposed to belong to] of Israel, those whom we call Arab Israelis, and tell them: 'your national aspirations lie elsewhere.'" There is a clear purpose in invading Gaza and using illegal weapons on civilian populations, and that is to depopulate the region of Palestinians so that Israeli Jews, whose ancestors came not from the Middle East but somewhere else, won't have to fear losing the battle of being a majority.
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UNICEF, Amnesty International, as well as Israel's own BT'Selem, likened Gaza to an open air concentration camp. With an economic blockade that starved Gazans to the point where 50% of the children (the majority population) are malnutritioned and showing growth and mental defects, already in place prior to the killing of 1,400+ civilians, including 460+ children (making 400,000+ homeless), there is no indication that Gaza is anything BUT a prison camp, very much like the ones the Nazis held Jews in for the slaughter decades before.
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So take your "don't call me a Nazi" sensitivity and play your charades elsewhere. The government of Israel is what it is. They could have lifted the blockade and let UN human rights inspectors as well as aid in. I am not going to take the bait and answer your hypotheticals. There was no Israel in 1948. The refugees did not come out of nowhere. Israel cannot play the victim until it accepts and acknowledges that it has been the aggressor all along. -
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And by no means was Tony Karon's piece hateful in the least bit. If by hateful, you mean truthful, then you have a severe distortion of what you perceive as reality. Don't play the clown with me, I'm from NJ originally, I'll break your knees
Here's the link again so more people read it: http://tonykaron.com/2009/01/22/change-gaza-can-believe-in/ -
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Nick, I was going to write about how absurd it is to call Gaza a concentration camp, but after reflection I have to admit your are correct. Gaza is a concentration camp run by Hamas. Hamas, like concetration camp guards, cares little for its prisoners' lives. To Hamas, a Gazan, just like a concetration camp prisoner, is just as valuable dead as alive.
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[...] Scott Mcleoad on Obama's interview in Time Mideast Blog addthis_url='http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.com/2009/01/good-timing-but-bad-choice-for-tv.html'; addthis_title='Good timing but bad choice for a TV channel'; addthis_pub='zeinobia'; [...]
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I was talking about your posting being hateful, not the article (I have not read it).
Really? Genocide for population control is why you think this latest cycle of violence began, and not because there were over 75 rockets a day falling on southern Israel since the cease fire ended? Seriously? Wow. Did you learn that by watching those indoctrinating children's cartoons that Hamas plays for kids so they can learn the wonderful lessons of martyrdom? Those are really amazing, and educational too.
The reason you will not answer the hypotheticals is because you know the answer is embarrassing to you, and it should be. I am not suggesting that Israel's morality is spotless, but they look like saints compared to the barbarism regularly exhibited (and furiously promoted) by Hamas. Look at the difference even in the protests: Pro-Israel demonstrations are generally for 'Peace Now' or 'Stop the Violence' while Pro-Palestinian protests involve chants of 'Death to Jews' or 'Jews to the Gas'. You tell me who sounds like Nazis. If you are going to talk about human rights from your high horse, maybe you should first tell Hamas to stop shooting members of Fatah in the knees and poking out their eyes based on 'suspicions' of collaborating.
Israel has set what the entire international community agreed were fair terms to begin negotiation about lifting the blockade, the least of which was Hamas acknowledging its right to exist, and Hamas refused to agree. What sense does it make to negotiate with someone who openly wants to kill you? Hamas made their own bed, it is just a shame that all of Gaza has to lie in it. -
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I don't think any human being with any semblance of compassion could read the heartbreaking stories of loss and death that innocent people in Gaza are suffering right now (which Time and CNN have covered over and over and over - thank you Mr. McGirk) and not be outraged about what happened, but the big elephant in the room that almost all western media outlets refuse to acknowledge is the hypothetical question I posed above. It is at the heart of why Israel reacted so strongly, why its notoriously contentious population supported the operation with such unified determination, and why many Israelis repeatedly claim that there is a double standard applied to coverage of its country and its military operations. Perhaps someone from CNN or Time can chime in on this.
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If the military situation were reversed, and Hamas had planes, bombs, and tanks, while Israelis were firing rockets from synagogues, schools, and homes, how would Hamas have handled the its incursion into Israel? Would there have been more or fewer casualties?
If analysts and pundits can honestly say that Hamas (or the U.S., France, or U.N. for that matter) would have done a better job with less innocent loss of life, then their coverage is fair and balanced. If, as I suspect, the civilian death toll would have been far higher - and if you believe Hamas' rhetoric, near 100% - it is slightly disingenuous to suggest that Israel was indiscriminantly or wontonly conducting its operation in Gaza. That is why many people are so upset when there is rampant talk of Israeli war crimes without more than a passing mention of rockets fired at towns or using civilians as human shields. -
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Cgtx wrote:
"Nick, I was going to write about how absurd it is to call Gaza a concentration camp, but after reflection I have to admit your are correct. Gaza is a concentration camp run by Hamas. Hamas, like concetration camp guards, cares little for its prisoners' lives. To Hamas, a Gazan, just like a concetration camp prisoner, is just as valuable dead as alive."
*clap clap clap* You're trying to blame the victim. The Nazis would say the Jews brought the final solution upon themselves. It was Hitler who said, vaguely, that he did not kill all Jews in the world on purpose so some would be around to evidence to all else why he committed to destroying Jewry worldwide in the first place. The falsehoods that you warmongers proffer are endless. Hamas is not an offensive minded entity but one built and democratically empowered by the struggle of defense against a colonial power that did not exist before 1948 nor whose overwhelming citizenry is not even from the Middle East, at least hasn't been for 1000+ years. While I do not condone Hamas' actions of resorting to violence, I can understand them. The rockets and tunnels are, without a doubt, the result of Israel's imposed blockade. The blockade created a humanitarian crisis for 1.5 million people. Dov Weissglass, a top aide to Ehud Olmert, said of the blockade that "The Palestinians will get a lot thinner, but [they] won't die." Indeed, Amnesty International, UNICEF, the ed Cross, and countless other organizations, including the UN, deplored Israel's blockade of the most basic necessities: clean water, energy, building supplies, food, medical goods, etc. Further, Hamas did not invite Israel to use internationally recognized illegal weapons in the most densely populated area of the world, causing over 460+ child deaths, 1400+ deaths, 400,000+ homeless, and countless more wounded due to suffer from cancer from the illegal inert metals and depleted uranium purposely used on them.
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Otrain,
You fail to recognize that rockets were coming out of Gaza because of the economic blockade Israel imposed that was downright creating a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. If we're playing what came first, then Israel's aggressions came first. There's no two stories to this: just the truth, and that is it.
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Many Israelis recognize that the acts of their government are analogous to those of the Nazis. Reflect on their opinions and put things into perspective. The government of Israel does not deserve by American tax dollars.
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http://tonykaron.com/2009/01/22/change-gaza-can-believe-in/ - read it, it will educate blind Israel-supporters like you. If the Mullahs of Iran were to commit half the atrocities that Israel commits daily, I would denounce that government as well.
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You can disguise the truth by calling it "hateful" commentary or "double-standards" at play all you want, it won't change it from being the truth. Perhaps if Israel had lifted the blockade and ended the humanitarian crisis they created then the moral high ground would belong to them. Instead they killed 460+ children in adittion to the blockade.
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Hitler rationalized his plans as well. Did that make it right? The lives of Israeli soldiers are not more precious than those of innocent women and children. Soldiers die in a war, Civilians should not. Recognize what is news worthy using this rationale. Read http://tonykaron.com/2009/01/22/change-gaza-can-believe-in/ and understand what it means to have perspective. -
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otrain,
With all due respect, use of the term "Nazi" is very emotionally loaded. I would note that illegal Zionist settlers use that term to discribe Israeli soldiers who remove them from their settlements. So it is easy to become indignent when someone uses that to describe the actions of the Israeli government, though I have been told, Israelis hurl that insult at each other all the time.You can't make the comparison of "What if Hamas were in the position of Israel" because such a situation would not exist. The Zionist had their terrorist groups in the 1930s and 1940s which went out of existance once Israel established it independence. Certainly, a Hamas militant wing would not exist if there was state of Palestine covering Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. However, when Jews were fighting for their own state against the British, Jewish "terrorist" groups existed and operated.
The fact is the Israeli government is not interested in "peace", only surrender. Why don't I ever see a supporter of Israel talk about settlements and their expansion. They seem to believe they don't exist or that Israel continues to take Palestinian land for "security" reasons. Why does Israel make the lives of Palestinians so difficult it is driving many to leave the West Bank? It is not "genocide", but it is a non-violent form of ethnic cleansing. And the people they are driving the very people who are moderate, who are educated and would be the type of people Israel who want as neighbors. The people being left are the angry, the militant and those who want to "kill all the Zionists!!"
The reality is that both sides have got to give. But the Palestinians moderates have given all that they can and have little to show in return. They have given up 78% of Palestine, yet it is not enough as the Israelis claim more land on a continual basis. The Israelis want security. Fine, what about Palestinian security?
The problems in Gaza are the result of Israel, during its occupation refusing to build Palestinian institutions, allowing Islamic radicals to build institutions while banning the PLO (don't forget they called for Israel's destruction, but Israel talks to them today), and the failure of Israel to consider creating an environment for the Palestinians to flourish.
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There is no denying that you and I are having the same chicken and egg argument that people are having all over the world. You still have yet to answer the question I originally asked though, about how Hamas would have acted if the military situation was reversed.
The reason I focus on that question is that I believe it is the main reason behind Israel's blockade in the first place: Israel is afraid that Hamas will smuggle in larger weapons that they will use at their first opportunity. Israel's reasoning for this hypothesis is that Hamas shouts it at every rally. It is part of their charter. It is part of their cartoon programs. It is part of their organization. As long as it is show-and-tell today, listen to Hamas leaders in their own words (from an impartial translating service) and tell me if Israel is paranoid: http://www.memritv.org/video.html.Hamas does not talk about a two state solution, and when they say that they will continue to kill innocent civilians ON PURPOSE until the 'end of the occupation' they are talking about the end of the state of Israel. As long as their leaders continue to dogmatically hold on to these genocidal words, do you really think it is realistic for Israel to lift a blockade?
You are clearly not going to change your mind on the conflict, nor am I. I think we can both agree that the loss of innocent lives - on both sides - really is tragic. I hope we can also agree that the responsibility for those lives lies with those that dropped the bomb or shot the gun, but also those that used mosques, schools, and homes as military locations - both acts should jointly be rejected.
When you distort history by using inflamatory language about the Holocaust though, your argument loses credibility and you slip into the 'hateful' category I mentioned earlier. If Israel was like the Nazis, it would have killed all 1.5M Palestinians in Gaza and moved on to the West Bank , and been holding parades to celebrate their deaths. This has clearly not been the case. Israeli leaders instead repeatedly and publicly apologize for the accidents (which I admit is hardly going to make up for them) and have been working with Abbas to help improve the economic situation in the West Bank - slowly but surely.
Do you know why Gaza and the West Bank are in such different conditions today? One side spews the same hatred as the Nazis and the other grudgingly acknowledged that Israel can exist.
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I think I know what former president Bush Jr. meant when he was talking about "history will judge him for better".
His father was the strongest president in modern times for standing up against Israel lobbies and withhold US money from reaching Israelis settlements in occupied territories, also arguably he was defeated by pro Israeli lobbies manifesting in Clinton administration since Clinton had majority of his cabinet filled with Jewish Americans and senator Lieberman was groomed to be next vice president and if Gore have one, Lieberman would have been the current president.
Bush Jr. took away the presidency and by his policy of letting Israel do whatever it wants, basically giving Israel a rope to hang herself and made sure US citizens know the true bloody psyche of Zionists, therefore revenge for his dad but more importantly stopping Zionist Americans from reaching the highest office in US for foreseeable future, time will tell if this is true! -
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[...] enemy.” Phew, glad he got that one out of the way, cause I was not aching for another fight. Time.com said in response that, “Obama seems intent on winning over the Arab world, to bolster U.S. [...]
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I see this site brought censorship back with vengeance again, your loss!
Here is their cousin CNN site which let you speak freely without registration and censors, so far!
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/01/26/pope.holocaust.denial/index.html
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