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By: stillwaters580

stillwaters580 — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:50:05 +0000

lol...don't worry joe, we can offer our love to you too. Why don't you tell us how you really feel Joe? I mean, they say that sometimes "just talking about things" can really help a person who is troubled/disturbed. So, would you like to tell us about your "feelings"...you know, the feelings that you have for Hussein, Joe?
bsaber..joe might be right, I didn't realize "how much" we posted here until I scrolled back, tee hee, and it looks like the internet police (who I am sure Joe works with) might arrest us for indecent exposure? Besides, I am pretty sure that we both stated our cases by now.

Ps...bsaber, last one for you..and you might even find this one amusing, lol
http://www.pierrerehov.com/about.htm
Take care bsaber, and I hope you have a better day today ;o)
Oh, and Joe, one last thing...watch this video, it might help you to realize that there are others out there who feel just like you do, and so, you should never feel that you are all alone (I really hope it helps you some) )

By: 1joe

1joe — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:02:43 +0000

stillwaters and bsaber you might want to take your love fest somewhere else, maybe that's why we're getting censored here!

By: stillwaters580

stillwaters580 — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:55:47 +0000

Your last link, pause it at "21:00" and see that picture of the guy with the litte boy..I remember reading about how that was "totally debunked"..but listen, the moral of the story is that we can go on all day like this, just showing each other our "sources"..but only we "as individuals" can decide for ourselves. As you probably already figured out, I decided to cast my lot with the Jewish people after much investigating(and soul searching). I do not think Israel (or Jews) are perfect, not anymore perfect than America or any other country (or people on earth) are perfect. But I refuse to hold Israel (and the Jewish people) to "impossible standards." God does not need my help in chastising those he loves, and I pray that God will have mercy on his people...and all of his children.

On another note, go figure, this was in today's news... http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/155877
If you read the following article, then today's news might make more sense for you.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=EA924CE7-EA60-413A-B540-303101BDEA66
Ps..and no need to apologize, I have my share of long days too!

By: bsaber

bsaber — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:13:09 +0000

Hey I was watching "http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/" It's really incredibly flawed, a lot of mis-stated facts..About Palestinians really, and forgive me please, but here you go- I've had a long day and my BS tolerance is negative right now, but here's some propaganda, with a lot of truth to it-I'm tired of the " poor innocent IDF act":

Sorry for the graphic nature, but such is war, and life in the Middle East.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96VjwHQSQk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0&feature=related

I think that's enough for now

Wait one more, my most favorite, most sickening, most real:

By: bsaber

bsaber — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:49:18 +0000

I agree, Islam has disgusting history. I hate to admit this, but so does Christianity, and present world Judaism is no exception. And it is completely shameful that people are celebrating 9-11. It was a horrible day and I pray we never see anything like this ever again. But I don't support the Palestinians because they are Muslims. I support the right of people to exist without brutality, with human rights, to live in dignity... History has not been kind to the region, or its inhabitants. But I don't want to see us give up. We can survive months in outer space but we can't solve a 50 year old conflict? And Israel is the strongest country in the area. Its army and weapons are by all measures exceptional. There is no "tiny" Israel. And I'm sure you realize that the only potential threat to Israel is Iran. Not Syria, they're all talk and no genitals for lack of a better word..No significant army there, no artillery, no note worthy ammo...Lebanon? Hizbullah is the face/voice of Iran operating in Lebanon...Jordan and Egypt are kept at bay..Israel has nothing to fear but minor attacks on its civilians, it can wipe all its surrounding countries off the map if it wanted to. Let's not kid ourselves, there is no "tiny Israel". I believe in God, and His will, so you're right, we will see. And I believe fanatics/lunatics are evil, insane people-whether Muslim, Hindu, Tamil, Christian or Jewish. Rabin was the first to offer Palestinians their territory, but within his constraints, and not Jerusalem. The point is, it's their land too, they shouldn't have to leave it to go another country. It is as much theirs as it is the Israelis. Ethnic cleansing is never justifiable. Finally, yes I agree, not all websites are run by incompetent ignorants. Sorry my post is all over the place, I've had a long day.

By: stillwaters580

stillwaters580 — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:32:55 +0000

You said alot of things that sound logical enough. I am confused though, what about the British Peel Commission (etc..) were you trying to point out? The following link (for information on the British Peel Commission) was taken from the Israeli Foreign Ministry.. (and I am sure you would agree with me that not ALL websites out there are being run by lunatics, lol) http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/peel.html
Also, the others you had mentioned in your replay can be researched at the above link as well. But what about Yitzhak Rabin? Was he on the record for agreeing to give up partial "sovereignty" (key word here) of Jerusalem? I was always under the impression that they would allow Arabs to claim a part of Jerusalem, but at the same time, NOT to surrender any Israeli "sovereignty." This link, under the "Jerusalem" section states that as well (although you are correct in thinking that there is a "fine line" to cross, and I totally agree!) http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths2/myths2006.pdf

Additionally, you are right that "originally" the UN wanted Jerusalem to be an international city "shared" between all religions, BUT the Arabs were not willing to "share" then (as the Jews were willing)-- and I do not trust that the Palestinians are ready to share today either. I do not think Israel should take that chance (a.k.a.commit suicide) BECAUSE history does not support the chances of it working out "peacefully." Yes, I agree that that is a sad reality, but let's be real, at least?
As far as "God's will" is concerned, we do not "have to" do anything at all because either way, God's will, will end up prevailing (but this can not be "scientifically proven" of course, lol, I'm rolling my eyes here.)
But as far as "American Policy" goes, well, let me just answer with some more "propaganda?"-- and this is not about Israel, it's about the "internal face" of what is taking place right here in good ole' America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fls6yfx7fs
Ps..I guess since Obama will be broadcasting via YouTube we should view that as propaganda as well? Thats an interesting theory you have there! haha-- Seriously though, we should disregard any information on the internet, well, that is unless we happen to agree with it, of course! It's funny when you really think about it, don't you think? And no wonder they say "a man sees what he wants to see." I guess then, we should just hope that we are seeing/contemplating the proper and necessary things.
Ps...the Palestinians (Muslims) were passing out candy on 9-11. At this stage of the game, I am so disgusted with all of it that I just say they can go to one of the "many" other Arab countries surrounding Israel to live (since they hate America and Israel so much) and then just leave "tiny" Israel alone (unless they truly respect Israel "sovereignty", then they should be able to live there too, if they should want too, of course.) And frankly, I worry about "Islam" in America too, I say this only because Islam carries a 1,400 yr. old track record/history of "bad news." If they wish to "reform" Islam, then that is great (and I think that obviously needs to be done and we should help them with that.) However, I often wonder "why" they could never do such (successful reforming) in one of the "many other" Islamic countries out there before Islam starting bringing the Mosques to America? But please don't misinterpret what I am saying here, I know that there are good/moderate Muslims too, it is only the "system" of Islam that I have a concern with. This following link is not run by lunatics, they observe what IS happening, and how can we pretend any different? Sigh.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

By: bsaber

bsaber — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:17:36 +0000

And I just watched your videos. The world has committed horrendous crimes against Jews...decades ago and nobody denies that. Does that justify the horrendous crimes Israel commits everyday against innocent Palestinians? It wasn't them behind the Holocaust. While I strongly reject propaganda videos and uneducated compilations that aim to sway the minds of the masses, I am really tempted to post videos that show the horrors of present day Israeli aggression in the Middle East.
But I am not annoyed enough yet to go against my convictions.

By: bsaber

bsaber — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:09:52 +0000

But yes, I am blunt. And thanks. I hope you look up a little bit more on Middle East History, and really the internet is the best and most convenient outlet for fanatic views. Really, you should take all propaganda with a grain of salt. And I support the Israeli right to exist, to live normal lives, and not fear anybody. I support the Palestinian right to exist as well, in the same manner. Except the Palestinians have been living under siege, with no access to adequate healthcare, schooling, higher education, or food and water in some places. Like I said, they are not dust you wipe off a surface.

By: bsaber

bsaber — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:00:46 +0000

I'd love to get you links, except I don't get all my news or history online, the internet, like other media outlets, can be very biased, except it's not regulated. People can post anything and readers will believe it. I will however recommend you do some reading on the British Peel Commission back in 1937, the UN Partition Plans of 1947. Yitzhak Rabin in 1993 signed the Oslo accords, he wasn't too keen of a two state solution but he was willing to concede parts of the Occupied Territories. Ehud Barak in 2000, during Camp David meetings was the first Israeli leader to offer the Palestinians their own state, though with restricting reservations. Furthermore, Stillwaters- let's not forget that while approximately three thousands years ago Jews lived in present-day Israel, Israel was created with the Balfour Promise in 1917. By the time Israel was founded in 1948, there were 650,000 thousand Jews comprising 35% of the population in Palestine and they owned 7% of the land. In the nineteenth century, the Ottomans were still in control of that region, and whether you know this or not, anyone who was not Muslim suffered serious persecution during the 600 year Ottoman rule, de facto, about 95% of the population in that area was "Arab" and had been there for approximately 1300 years. And as far as supporting God's people goes- are we saying that Israel deserves unconditional US support because it is God's will? The last time I checked there was separation of church and state in America. Religion is not supposed to dictate foreign policy in such an administration, and creating Armageddon reproduced from the Book of Revelations is not a sane idea.